As a tense standoff at a national wildlife refuge in eastern Oregon enters its third day, militia members are pouring in from surrounding regions and states.
And at least one local law enforcement official claims they’re not there for a peaceful protest. They want to spark a nationwide anti-government movement, starting in Oregon.
Protesters occupied the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Burns, OR, on Saturday to object to a prison sentence for local ranchers for burning federal land. Ammon Bundy — the son of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who was involved in a 2014 standoff with the government over grazing rights — is among the people at the headquarters of the refuge.
Ammon Bundy posted a video on his Facebook page asking for militia members to come help him. He said “this is not a time to stand down. It’s a time to stand up and come to Harney County,” where Burns is located.
But at least some of the militia members responding to Bundy’s call may have a larger agenda in mind, according to Haney County Sheriff Dave Ward.
“These men came to Harney County claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers, when in reality these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States,” Ward said in a statement.
The protesters have decried such statements as fanning the potential for violence in a situation that has so far been peaceful.
Bundy and other militia members came to Burns last month, a small town about 280 miles southeast of Portland, Oregon. They were upset over the looming prison sentences for local ranchers Dwight and Steven Hammond. They went to the wildlife refuge Saturday evening following a rally in Burns to support the ranchers.
On Sunday, militia members decked out in camouflage and warm winter gear and holding guns and walkie talkies guarded the entrance. They allowed some news reporters through for interviews with members of the Bundy family. Pickup trucks blocked the entrance and were pulled out of the way to let select cars through.
Dwight Hammond, 73, and Steven Hammond, 46, said they lit the fires on federal land in 2001 and 2006 to reduce the growth of invasive plants and protect their property from wildfires.
The two were convicted of the arsons three years ago and served time — the father three months, the son one year. But a federal judge ruled in October that their terms were too short under U.S. minimum sentencing law and ordered them back to prison for about four years each.
The decision generated controversy and is part of a decades-long dispute between some Westerners and the federal government over the use of public lands. The issue traces back to the 1970s and the “Sagebrush Rebellion,” a move by Western states like Nevada to increase local control over federal land. Critics of the push for more local control have said the federal government should administer the public lands for the widest possible uses, including environmental and recreation.
In an interview with The Associated Press at the wildlife refuge Sunday, Ryan Bundy, Ammon Bundy’s brother, said the protesters’ ultimate goal is to turn the land over to local authorities so people can use it free of federal oversight.
They want to “restore the rights to people so they can use the land and resources” for ranching, logging, mining and recreation.
Ryan Bundy says the federal government has been “tromping on people’s rights and privileges and properties and livelihoods.”
“I understand the land needs to be used wisely, but that’s what we as stewards need to do. A rancher is going to take care of his own ranch,” Ryan Bundy said.
Supplies were seen Sunday being delivered to the refuge area, which is remote even by rural Oregon standards. The wildlife refuge sits in a wide snow-covered valley rimmed by distant mountains. A high lookout tower sits over the refuge headquarters buildings, which has several stone buildings and garages.
Dwight Hammond has said he and his son plan to peacefully report to prison Monday as ordered by the judge.
Beth Anne Steele, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, said Saturday that the agency was aware of the situation at the national wildlife refuge. She made no further comment.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Someone has to stand up for Americans and am glad the Militia is doing
just that. Go for it!
government snow job, scary deal!
We can not just say go for it WE the PEOPLE need to stop being arm chair warriors we must all stand up to this Goverment of an for the Goverment .
We must arm our selfs an march on the Goverment an we need the military & law inforcement to join us to fight against a illegal Goverment an it terny !????????
yes you are so rite. UNITED WE STAND, MICHIGAN READY TO UNITE AN PRESERVE OUR CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOM.. OBAMA, TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNS, SO WHEN HE RELEASES HIS G-HAD ARMY, ALL READY HERE, WE CAN/T FIGHT BACK, IMAGINE EMPTY HANDED, AGAINST AK47,S, THIS IS HAPPENING VERY SOON. OBAMA, MOVING TO DICTATORSHIP HERE, HIS ULTIMENT GOAL., G-HAD MOSULEM GOAL, RAPING WIVES, CHILDREN, BEFORE KILLING THEM, AN YOU.. OBAMA, ( THIRD, ANTI-CHRIST ), WE ARE ABOUT TO BE IN WORST CIVIL WAR, EVER. ITS IN THE BIBLE. SO PREPARE ASAP. MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA.
I think that Obama is happy with this,and he would like more of it so he can declair Marshall law and then he will remain the dictator that he really is now. HE NEED TO BE IMPEACHED.!!!!!!
I am afraid this is exactly what obammie wants. Just wait until after the election unless we are truely ready to fight.
I really think America is finally woken up enough now that if obomber tried to implement marshal law that it would backfire on him.
Obama just needs to do America , 1 VERY BIG FAVOR and just DROP DEAD !!!!
I concur; the Feds have been bullying these guys for too long. I don’t consider them dangerous or a miltia; they are just a group of Americans standing and fighting for what they believe is right. The press is obviously on the side of the corrup tFeds, and the judge who screwed up here.
They have no intention of trying to take over the government; that is crap being fed to you by the idiot press.
I just wish they’d have either done it a long time ago; BEFORE the country had been turned into a roiling cesspool of government greed and societal decay; OR they’d waited ’til we’re rid of the steaming pile of dog doo presently stinking up the Whitehouse and mucking up everything he touches.
Obama does not have intentions of vacating office. He is too used to spending our money. He is exactly like Saddam Hussein and will need to be gotten rid of the same way. Everything he and his unconstitutional bureaucratic alphabet organizations. Are doing is to give the US over to the UN elite and take away all our rights. This next election, if it happens, is intended to be another farce, with one of their chosen corrupt puppets “winning the electoral vote”. They will give amnesty and voter privileges to anyone by paying them, releasing them from prison, importing them and making them up. We need to have someone at every voting precinct to take an exit poll to try to keep them honest.
That is a VERY good idea! ! ! I hope it can be done.
Sounds like a good idea to me!!!!
It’s about time we all should be marching beside them, what Gov? we have a Muslim king mo Gov.
A Gov. of one big and corrupt Dem’s Party the Republicans as we know them died in 2010.
If Donald Trump wants to win for sure, he should put in his two cents in the Oregon militia issue and promise the ranchers to use the land for our wonderful cows” THIS IS AMERICA, don’t forget it (Obama) ” Militia don’t give up ”
This looks like to me just the gov’t flexin it’s muscles. These farmers/ranchers were just burning some firebreaks to protect their land……..and I would think it would also help protect the gov’t lands also. So actually the gov’t got some free labor from the locals….then the gov’t wants to prosecute them? But this should be no surprise, I have not seen the gov’t do anything that makes much sense in awhile. This militia is not cultish I don’t think, but you and I both know people can only be pushed so far till they take action. I think it speaks to their credibility that they have not taken serious action up to this point.
Also, if they have DONE the time that was supposed to be their punishment, how can the gov’t come back in now and add more time?? Isn’t that sort of a double jeapordy type of thing??
Obama has to be stopped. We are under dictatorship today. The Illegal Black Muslim in Washington wants to keep his plush job and will do anything to stay there. Last line of defense is WE THE PEOPLE. GOD BLESS USA AGAIN.
It will be another Waco, our government can’t just walk away. They have to be complete a-holes. All of them.
Wish my health was good I would be there
My Health is not good either and I am 80 yrs old. but I will fight to protect my freedom AND MY HOME! Every town and city should organize a home guard militia and have meetings and training sessions. Nothing can be protected without all of us doing our duty! There are trained Veterans in every neighborhood and area of this country! All the Mayors and county officials should make an effort to make this Home Guard a reality, We did it during WWII and the threat to America was not like it is now. Obama is scared to death of any such movement to include Veterans and Military Retiree’s because he knows we have been trained and can train others to be Home Guards. He would try his best to say such organizations were illegal and unconstitutional etc.etc. On the contrary, volunteer units are historically heavy supporters of the Constitution and it is way past time to get the ball rolling. This is exactly why Obama wants our guns! Talk to your Mayors and other officials and try to get organized! Time is running out! First objectives should be the FEMA Camps. They are not necessary except as Obama’s Concentration Camps to kill and use prisoners as forced labor for his dictatorship. It’s past time!
Agree!
The 2nd Amendment Is to Keep The Government In Check Not Over Throw it
It’s not in check..it’s out of control!! It’s corrupt starting with the worst president of the US stripping our freedoms away bit by bit… only way to fix it now is to start from scratch!!! No one is doing their jobs in DC. No one there to buck Ovomit. If there were it wouldn’t have gotten to this! It’s time someone stands for We The Prople before Obama ruins America for good. Freedom isn’t free..you gotta fight to keep it or you lose it.
That’s right. If you’re not willing to die for freedom then you don’t deserve it!
Amen…..
Amen!!!!!
Lori, 100% right on…the office of The President of the U.S.A was at one time considered a high honor and a place of the highest respect world wide…Thanks to the current individual, and people like Bill and Hillary Clinton we may never hold that honor again.
Agree! ! ! ! !
Sometimes you have to meet force with force . An example is the American Revolution .
If the Feds were doing their job, it would have done control burning making it unnecessary for private land owners to take matters into their own hands.
Re the additional
prison time , isn’t this
double jeopardy ?
I believe it is double jeopardy. How can you impose a sentence and then when once served come back and impose another sentence for an even longer time without another trial. And if there is another trial (which didn’t happen) that would be doubled jeopardy. The extended sentence merely just eliminated the second trial. Either way it is double jeopardy and illegal. With the current DOJ whether it had been Holder or now the Lyncher in charge nobody has any legal rights under our constitution. Only what they say they can do to anybody anytime. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country and countrymen. If we just sit idly by and do nothing then they get away with it all over again. We need to stage protests all around the country for those who can’t get to Oregon to stand with these patriots. Black lies matters does it all the time. So do all these gay blades. They all stage their protests all over the place for the benefit of their supporters who can’t travel. It serves a double purpose in allowing many more people to get involved and show the government that we all stand together against this tyranny. What does it take to organize a nation wide protest? I’m all for it and would join a Wisconsin contingent. We need to show solidarity with our patriot bothers and sisters in Oregon.
Jack Witt I am with you all the way, son! Double Jeopardy maybe, but illegal to add sentence over the head of the original judge. It is way past time for all this talk and blame game! We should all organize and get ready to protect our homes, family and country. If any Terrorist dares come to your town and use a Garrote or sword to decapitate your kids and rape your wife, he should be hung by the neck so his spirit will wander forever according to their beleifs. Whatever is dished out by these people should be dealt back in spades to them when they are caught. Exactly as they do should be done to them and video of the punishment should be broadcast over international TV! We can defeat this threat but we must organize!
I live in NJ, people far away can help very little, except sign petitions if there are any. People are struggling to find work or maintain their jobs. Most Citizens are in dire straits financially to help.
Bring it on yellow belly….!
You need to fight fire with fire.
They are not trying to overthrow the government. That’s the words used by the police to put their spin on it. Read the whole thing and filter out the lies. It’s not really hard to do.
Agreed, this is going to force the rubber to meet the road so to speak and forces local law enforcement to decide if their going to honor their oaths to the people or not. These sheriffs are going to have to expose their true intent when they took office in more than just words. Are they willing to be the bulwark between the feds and the people which is their legal position. Its time that question get answered in every county not just in Oregon but in all other counties where the sheriff is the leading law enforcement person.
Agreed!!!!!!
They have already overthrown the government! Eric Holder should have been lynched for Fast & Furious. Loretta Lynch is cut from the same mold as he. Many of the weapons the drug cartels have, came as a direct result of Fast & Furious. There has been no comment from Obama or the Atty Gen. as to whether all the weapons, by serial number,have been found. I feel that Fast & Furious was a subterfuge by Obama & Holder to give the cartels guns so they can be used to kill our Power Grids. Have any of you heard or seen any attempts by the Government to fortify or beef up security around any of the Power Grids on a 24 hour basis? That needs to be done more than a wall! What we need is our troops home from many places that they aren’t needed any more. 200 yards of cleared “No Mans Land” and mines and double Concertina Wire along with troops and machines every 1000 yards with lighting for all! Give me Air surveillance 24 hr coverage, an Engineer Battallion, with National Guard rotating duty in equal amounts or Army troops in permanent status with back up force. Border Patrol in lead positions with backup support units to quell any large encroachment! What say you? This is what our ILLUSTRIOUS “COMMANDER IN CHIEF’ should have done from the get go. Who of you agrees? Walls cant be seen over easily, bare ground and Concertina can and they are lots cheaper also. The contracts let for the building of Walls were awarded, except for one, to Mexican Contractors! Do you think this stupid mistake should have ever been given to anything but US Contractors to help the unemployment issue??
Agree with you!
This is exactly what Cruz and Trump want–extremist militia using the 2nd amendment as a trojan horse and a phony facade showing up at “protests” with increasingly high tech weaponry. If these vicious morons were Muslims or Black Lives Matter engaging in a “peaceful” protest the righties would be screaming to take them out hard and now. This is the inevitable result of the insanity of “open carry” and the ongoing perversion of gun regulations–extremist phonies who could care less about equal rights, law and the constitution making their own rules and showing up with the only power they care about or understand, the power of a gun. The next step is for them to start using them, and the foreign terrorists will then have gotten exactly what they have been trying to achieve.
Walt you are an idiot plain and simple, the O bama adm, wants to take all rights of america citizen away and herd us into apartment complexes so they can control; us, marxists style, like in europe. Trump and Cruz want to take our government back to the people, not like the communists in DC total control of citizens. Our consitution says no president can make laws or change laws, only congress, O Bama and his executive oders are un consititional. Time we need to stop this
Exactly Robert. Walt is an idiot!! It’s about time..true patriotic Americans have had it!!!!
I concur
Robert .
Get a reality check
Walt!
You bet it is time to stop obama and our worthless Congress!
I have thought for the last few years a revolution was what is was
going to take to stop obama! My hope is he will be the first one
to see it! Kick his black a** to the curb! All obama has done is
ruin America!
What great leaders do we have now who can stop Obama? Possibly Trump.
Idiot!!! It has nothing to do with Trump and Cruz. You’ve missed the whole point! It has to do with We The True American People tired of an insane Muslim president working against America!! The Trojan horse is Obama letting these damn refugees come here by the sh*tloads and ISIS hiding within them to get in here, then wrecking havoc on us. Get it straight nut job!
Lori, do you know the meaning of the term “paranoid delusional”? Also, there is help for people like yourself, but you have to be willing to seek and accept it…
Walt maybe you should see a head Dr. It seems you have a problem!!!!!!
Walt,
I worked for the government. None of the employees are godlike. Many are simply specialists who majored in some area like economics or engineering but they are not knowledgeable about everything – especially not FARMING.
You need to do some more reading.
The people who need to “wake up” are the ones that continue to think it won’t happen here. It is happening here. We have an illegal President who has already admitted he was born in Kenya and Obama is not his real name. He should have never been President because he didn’t qualify. He has admitted to being a muslim. Are you going to wait to admit what is going on until it is too late to save this Country?
Hey Walt! Don’t you think that just maybe Black Lives Matter and the Muslims who are involved are not using this situation as a ruse to legalize their illegal actions? The Ferguson, Mo. and Baltimore Police are the ones who needed help. The agitators from St Louis and many other places that came there were not interested in helping the situation , they were sent there by Jesse, Al and Louis Farakan. They are the ones who need to be arrested. Sharpton and Company tried this and got a black kid from Jena,La off his charges. Almost a year later the kid was caught red handed by the police for shop lifting high dollar items. Did not see Sharpton, Jesse Jackson or Farakan at that party did you? Of course it did not get publicized on national TV either did it? Walt, get your head out of your tail end and try to be a better American!
You need to educate yourself. The issue is federal vs. state control of state lands. Even the New York Times published the map showing the huge difference in control.
Unfortunately I don’t believe a word from the New York Times extremely liberal paper ..but it is also not only state vs. fed ..but people are just plain tired of this extremely corrupt government of ours stepping all over us. We have and out of control nut for a president who in any other time zone would have been declared insane and put in prison for treason against the US!! This is just another situation where people are done with corruption and the crap going on in DC!!!
Thank you Lori! Good no nonsense analogy pof the situation. great COMMENTARY!
..and you need to read Walts statement before telling people to educate themselves Shyly….my response was to his Trojan horse response!
Lori,
I was scolding WALT, not you!
Is it SLYLY or SHYLY?
You are pathetic in your evaluation of this issue! Do you have a clue as to why they are protesting? Your are the typical liberal!! The government wants his ranch. This attack against the Hammonds has been on going for decades. Five years in prison for burning accidentally a 130-140 acres of BLM land, called terrorist, BLM retains the first right to purchase ranch-this is something you would believe if you were living in Russia or China, not the United States. It appears we have done a flip flop-Russia and China are moving towards what the USA was and we are becoming like they were. Sad state of affairs, but what do you expect when liberal have control.
This whole crappy mess is a lie made up by this corrupt government. For Hammonds to be sent to prison again because a judge decided a mistake was made is not valid. They served the time legally given. This whole thing is unconstitutional. I promise you if there is gun fire at the wildlife preserve, the feds will fire the first shot as they always do. You are not very well informed about the people at the preserve. They are not trying to over throw anything. They are making a statement about this corrupt government and this lawless President. They have threatened no one and hurt no one. The building they are in does not belong to the feds. That building belongs to you, me and all Americans, it was built and paid for with our tax money. The government would not discuss the problems, would not listen, so these people are getting their attention. The government owns nothing, make not one dime, they only money they have comes from WE THE PEOPLE. There is no need for personal name calling, hate speech or bad language. You should be thankful they are taking a UNITED stand, it is for you and me and all Americans, one day you will have to take your own stand. What will you do then?
Walt! Interesting coment. Please read the Whole 2nd paragraph of the Declaration Of Independence, its not too difficult. Then try to put into prospective what is going on with in Our REPUBLIC. Next go to Netflix and watch the series X-Files, cool show, not so much the little Green or tall Gray space people, but the revaluations of the NWO that is ridding our Lady Liberty like a single celled, spineless, No-Gendered Ameba, parasitic, blood sucking freeloader. Sound familiar, do you have a rash that you can’t get rid of? Watch out because this parasite is always looking for a convenient oraphce to enter a Host and spread the Progressive disease. If you have a unbelievable attraction to watch PBS, buy Sustainable Development products from local Sustainable Markets from multi million dollar Grants that Tax payer paid for, or get a new bicycle seat, complain about cars driving in you Bicycle lane buy tickets for The Clinton Foundation or Global Initiative, you may be infected. The CURE is available @ Barnes And Noble a yellow paper back with black lettering…….”Constitution For Dummies”. Have a Blessed Day, empty the trash if you aren’t doing anything.
YOU’R AN ASS HOLE..THE GOVERNMENT is in the WRONG.. AND THEY KNOW IT,LOOKING FOR A REASON TO PUT IN.MARSHALL LAW..THERE SCARD OF THE DONALD….
*martial law
*they’re scared
What the hell is your problem? Will you have same attitude when the feds come and occupy your residence? The feds are wrong and they are just being bullies. God Bless troops who are standing up for our freedoms. If you don’t like freedom you can leave.
And you come to this conclusion thru extensive study and innate knowledge, I suppose. Or, more likely, you heard this scenario on CNN or MSNBC. You really need to learn more about our Cconstitution and our history. At the same time, you might want to read about the real issue here.
They’re not there to take down the government. They’re there to take back the government. They know obama is the one that wants to take down the government and do away with our Constitution and substitute laws that muslims live by.
The news media is supporting an attack against the American Patriots in Oregon. The news broadcasters and networks along with the printed press, also Internet are getting paid by people like Soros and his ilk to talk trash against American Patriots in Oregon.
Then they can say obama and his muslims along with Congress and SCOTUS did the right thing by sending in a milita or Federal Agents and maybe members of our Miltary to kill the peaceful Patriot Protest.
Therefore, it’s not about peaceful protesters but the government in Washington that wants to keep Americans under thuggish Jackboot heels.
Exactly!!
In my opinion those protesters are acting in a very civilized way. I am quite sure that black protesters would have looted and have set fire to this government building already…
The Feds want this land for valuable minerals and uranium for the Chinese. The take over by the Feds has NOTHING to do with “justice.” The little bit of land that was burned harmed nothing. The Hammond’s paid their dues in prison. IF THE HAMMONDS ARE AGAIN IMPRISIONED, THIS SIGNALS THE END TO FREEDOM IN THE USA. From now one we will possibility be under a Fascist form of Government, Dictatorship at its “finest.” This has been creeping into the United States for years, now we are seeing it. *** Note . . .2016 will be the year that will MAKE OR BREAK AMERICA.
If the Federal Government wants to “Control” the land then they should be “HELD ACCOUNTABLE” for the damages their inactivity or neglect allows to happen to other peoples endeavors.
In Florida the STATE GOVERNMENT jailed a man owning a “truck garden” that he supplemented his income with, for shooting deer that were destroying his garden “out-of-season”. The premise being the deer were State property under the “CONTROL” of the Department of Natural Resources.
He produced numerous documents where-in he had notified the STATE to keep THEIR deer off his property, as they were destroying his crops. At a jury trial the STATE was found at fault as he was just “DEFENDING HIS PROPERTY”.
He had not shot the deer for food or trophies and he reported the shooting so the DNR could come get the carcasses off his land.
Are we Americans finally waking up to the corruption in our government? Obama is the worst president in US history. He is why stupid people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Stand up for our country. Take America back. We need a president who will abide by the Constitution. Not a dictator socialist like Obama.
Exactly Diane..great post! Yes..I will!! Go Militia!! Time to take this country back! Trump 2016!!!
Much of the rhetoric here is getting out of hand. Conspiracy theories abound. Keep in mind that this is a park that is operated for the benefit of the American People. As the Constitution says … Government by the People for the People. Now we have bunch of yahoos cruising in from other states in the pretense of defending Constitutional (?) and Biblical (?) rights. As the Good Book says “Give unto Caesar that which is Caesars”. Even the locals don’t want ’em there!
So far in the small confines of our country, no one seems to have the courage to come together as a group to change anything going on in the country. Who’s speaking for us? Right now they are the Oregon Protesters trying to speak out for American Right. This should be a “No Bloodshed” situation.
Truth the Hammons say that Ryan Bundee, does not speak for them, the hammons told the oathkeepers not to come they did not want an armed stand off, and will turn in themselves. No one is trying to overthrow the Government , at this time, If and when State , Federal , sheriff’s try to confiscate firearms, that will Start A revolution, For sure. People believe in Government, until it over reaches , and becomes tyrannical it is time to reign in rogue politicians, There have been to many exective orders and over reach. But Gun confiscation, will be the fuse. Government is necessary, but tyranny is not. This story has a lot of spin, doesent it. To believe with blind faith, that Law Enforcement dosent Lie you are a fool. Main street media lie most of the time, There is only about six Corporations that control all msm and The motion picture companies. So research yourself how few people control what you watch and hear daily. I call them the Fourth Branch of Government. Because they can control the uneducated Masses, Please get informed yourself.
Doug it is way past time when speaking out or voting rogue politicians out. It is time for action to re-claim this country.
I believe as an American that we the people should stand together to keep our rights. I do not want to be a socialist country. We will not be the land of the free. God bless America.
Nearly all of the eastern states control almost all the land within their borders. But, look at the maps showing the west and the control of our lands by the federal government. There is a HUGE difference in the amount of control.
The feds certainly are aware of the inequality and are hoping this issue will go away.
BLM employees were getting much too emotionally involved it appears from reading the history of this battle. After all, BLM employees are HUMAN BEINGS and imperfect.
There is no threat to take over the government – only the threat to BLM employees that their agency may be cut back in funding and they may have to look for work in the private sector or another agency. Big deal.
The sentences were overly harsh. No one died in the fires.
The BLM has been pressuring this family to sell their land for 40 years. Because their land attracted more wildlife than the actual wildlife refuge next door.
The Democrats defend the government now even though the liberals were happy to protest the government during the Vietnam War or whenever they disagreed.
You should publish the map that the New York Times published in the past which shows the disparity in local control between eastern and western states.
Those people trying to start an overthrow of government are most likely paid protesters giving the president authority to declare martial law and guaranteeing his dictatorship. Don’t be fooled .
You are uneducated about the issues. Do some research. Why should western states have 50 to 80% of their land controlled by the federal government while eastern states have about 5% controlled by the feds?
Warren: Trouble with USA today are people like yourself. Open mouth and have no idea what is going on. These guys are TRUE AMERICANS, are you one? GOD BLESS
This seems to me to be a clear cut case of double jeopardy.
I agree with Boomer re Double Jeopardy! Where are the attorneys that should come forth to “represent these men for free”to aid them when in need??? Are they the wrong skin color in order to get that attention and priveldge?? As an analyst, you have to take what the media reports as allegations- not truth! But one thing is for sure, all these Americans (not malitia) are trying to make a peaceful point and that is that these two men served their time and We the People will no longer stand by to watch a judge now add on another 4 years to their sentence!! Please give this thought as to if it was you or a family member– we have a government that is out of control and has become a socialistic entity! Where is the new trial for these two men??? Can government just come into anyone’s home now and imprison us– this folks is called Communism!! SO, please stop the vulgar rhetoric/ verbiage to fellow Americans and let’s start being “one cohesive group called – “WE THE PEOPLE!” I would like to see some attorneys step up and represent these two men gratis! And for all Americans to wake up and call your politicians constantly to let them know they will not get re- elected! Also be supportive of these Oregan men in hopes they get heard and just not thrown in jail without fair due process!!!
Do not allow this government to continue to take away your RIGHTS!! God Bless America and the FREEDOMS WE FOUGHT SO HARD TO MAINTAINS!
Godspeed to the men in Oregan!!
This property belongs to the people, not to the thugs that’s been running Washington the last 30 years. I was raised in Asheville
North Carolina. When I was young, we went camping in the Pisgah National Forrest. You very seldom saw a Forrest Ranger. A few
years ago, I went with some friends camping. We had our fire going, setting around talking and out steps a Forrest Ranger. They demanded our ID and wanted to know if we were drinking. It was against the law to drink on government property, and if we were, we would be going to jail. In my opinion, this is going too far. They had declared all of Pisgah a primitive forest and do not want anyone on it. We need to take our country back. I am all for the protestors in Oregon.
They were doing controlled burns on THEIR land, the fire jumped across the street to the federal lands and scorched a few blades of grass. They quickly responded and extinguished the fire and notified the fire department. Federal arson charges are absurd and I support what they are doing.
Oregon now, other States will follow soon, mark my words. The end results will not be good……..I sure hope the voters will come to their senses and vote the correct way in 2016. DOUBTFUL: Rc
Here is the REAL ISSUE as published in the New York Times:
The Open West, Owned by the Federal Government
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/03/23/us/western-land-owned-by-the-federal-government.html?_r=0
Didn’t see in article and forget myself right now, but the land in question has only been under Federal control for 20-years or so and, under O’bama and his wish to control more and more — often using ‘Climate Change as his excuse — is restricting access-to and use-of Federal lands all over the west and, in many cases, making Federal lands into “Wilderness Area” where 90% of Americans can no longer go as there are no roads or facilities allowed (or, if there, are removed) and backpackers are the only folks who are capable of accessing what used to be used by all sorts of peoples using off-road where, of course, too much can be a bad thing BUT, as an 83-year-old who loves the wilderness, I wish to still get there once-in-a-while with my Suburban (and very careful/skilled-driving).
NOTE: I’m scared about something similar happening to the region known as the “Arizona Strip” that no-paved-road region in N-W Arizona that contains Toroweap — part of Grand Canyon NP but only accessible by 4-wheel drive dirt roads through BLM lands
Obama wants to do anything to stay in the White House Marshall Law would be one way
This is What O’asshole wants so he can go to Marshal Law to keep his ass in Washington
I am happy to see people with Kahonees step up.
The Bundy’s got it straight.
If they show enough force the COPS, FEDERALALIES AND SUCH WILL BACK DOWN
The can not afford a violent encounter with loss of life, as its an election year and any action resulting in any loss of life will torpedo any chance “However small” of getting anywhere in the fall election.
I predict that the corrupt government clowns will bristle there fire power and make big threats, but will ultimately cave in and go home with their tail between their legs, as they should.
The Hamonds will be released under some cheezy court order “For the gov trying to save face”
Ultimately this is what is needed to stop this huge over stepping of power in the USA
Used to be that the courts could sort out these messes, but anymore they are as corrupt as the Congress and the Whitehouse.
I say let the malitia do what it needs to to protect what is right.
Living like rats in a barrel is not what this country is about.
God be with the malitia in Burns.
May the Force Be with them.
The second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence states, “Should government become destructive to these ends…..The people have the right to alter or abolish the current form of government and institute new government. Obama, being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, has an agenda that he wants real bad. He has placed a number of Muslims in high security positions such as Dept. of Homeland Security and others in various councils such as Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). Their ultimate goal is to turn America into a Muslim Nation and impose Sharia Law, and have one religion, based on the Quran. This all started around 1991. So Obama’s Administration is not the first to secretly allow this coup d’e tat to grow and expand.So, we can also include both the Clinton and Bush Administrations, as well. Our current form of government is not Pro America. Our current government is a spirit of darkness and death. Freedom is a spirit of light and life. We have to start somewhere to take back America and restore it back to it’s roots. A Constitutional Republic, One Nation Under God, With Liberty and Justice for All. This just may be the fire we need, that turns on the lights through American people, like you and I.
Amen!!
Amen we need all true Americans to stand up and take our Country back and put the power of God back into our Country! And we need the freedoms our forefathers fought for this Country and take down all former Presidents that sold our Constitutional rights away and get this Country Standing on the United we Stand and in God we trust to all American People !And bring our Country back where the people run the whole government and we get all the Corruption out of the government today! We need a Powerful man who can ‘ t be paid for and get soros out of trying to sell our Country to something other then! the America we were raise in and the Love of our Country! Its time for Donald Trump a man who won’ t be sold and stand up for all the American People United We Stand For a Country we love and will fight for our rights of the American people!
Eric Holder put in two new Attorney General Assistants and they were both Muslims!! Think these ;positions should be approved by Congress just like Judges? I Do!
I don’t trust Obama or Hillery, care less Republican or Democratic what’s right for America is first today. Not another Waco. Feds too ready to kill their own. Does the punishment equal the crime”no”. Government is supposed to serve the people. Our civilians, are the one’s supplying $ and our family members for feds even being. They should serve the people not their own agenda.
When people find themselves at odds with the government, they should be able to ask for an independent assessment of their situation.
I have known another person who had an ongoing battle for years with our state’s lands division. This situation could have been diffused, but instead kept building.
The truth is that the government in all forms has a permanent staff of attorneys. Armies of attorneys and they want to win. It’s so easy for them to win when they aren’t paying for an attorney, themselves!
Let’s see…the Bundy’s made a lot of money allowing their herds to graze on government property without paying the government for that right. The federal government owns more than 180,000 acres of land near my home. The government doesn’t allow the locals to send herds of livestock onto their property to graze. In fact, those who farm on the government land have some sort of lease with the government which requires them to pay for the privilege.
As far as the Hammonds’ are concerned, what gives them the right to go onto anyone else’s land and start setting fires? If someone starts setting fires on my property I’m going to call law enforcement and have them arrested. There are many times when the federal government may overstep its authority, but this isn’t one of those times. The property owner should be the one to decide what is done on their land. It is not the place of a neighbor to make that decision.
I don’t believe you have all the facts correct. They set fire on property they owned or leased and it spread to Federal land. However, there were also accusations that they did so to poach deer? There really has not been a whole lot of info on the specifics but they did not as far as I can tell intentionally set fire to the Federal land. However, a judge did find them guilty so now they are paying the price.
I think saying Bundy made a lot of money is not the whole story and you should research it more carefully to understand the issue on both sides. Also, note nothing has been done to the Bundy family regarding that issue since the standoff. So your assumptions are probably incorrect as well.
They didn’t go on somebody else’s land and SET a fire. It migrated across a small piece of the govt land by itself!
The Constitution gave 10 sq miles to the Government… that’s it. If they wish to obtain land in a state they must go before the legislature of that state to get permission to lawfully buy it.. They’ve done none of the above. Nevada has been fighting the ‘sagebrush rebellion’ to regain the land that the feds took there. Alaska has the same with the ‘tundra rebellion’. National Parks are no longer National Parks, their ‘World Heritage Sites’ own by the UN, think I’m kidding…do some research http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA341.html Who gave the federal government the right to turn over any of our nations land to the UN or any organization for that matter? Wake up this is part of Agenda 21. I’m 73, a veteran’s widow and I stand with the patriots in Oregon.
Feel for those in this protest, but timing is bad with ISIS on rampage
either one can start Martial Law or similar if actions took place to spook Feds into Martial Law.
Scary.
If Feds cant defuse situaiton, I say release said farmers.
See Waco, 1993 assult rerun??
I know this will sound stupid like I’m some sort of grammar police or whatever. But you are the first person to spell martial as in martial law correctly in this whole thread. I know it’s not much of a big deal and everybody knows what they mean, but it bothers me that people can’t get something that simple so wrong. Anyway, I too support the movement in Oregon. It is time for all good men to come to the aide of their country and countrymen. If nobody ever stands up to this current governments overreach and illegal executive orders then nobody will be free to live by the standards that were set over two hundred years ago. This current government is doing everything in its power to press the soles of their jackboots on the back of the necks of all of us true American patriots. We need to stand up all across this country to defend these so called rebels. They are putting their lives on the live for freedom and democracy. Do they deserve any less than the support of all people who believe in American the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Absolutely correct. All I hear any more is ‘somebody has to do something to stop this’.. ok they are. They are not just standing for their rights under the Constitution their standing for ours. Our forefathers stood against the greatest military nation on the earth at the time. They too were called ‘seditionists’ well they were, against the tyranny of England the governing power of their time. Lexington and Concord showed what the ‘rulers’ were willing to do to the people, don’t think these ‘rulers’ are any different. Remember Ruby Ridge and a mother holding her baby to her breast as she was shot through the head by a sniper, the same sniper that shot her teenage son in the back as he ran to warn his family. This can never be allowed to happen again but it will until we the people take a committed stand.
At a time when we are told by the government, Obama, that our prison population is too large, and criminals are being released as I comment, what are we doing? They are letting go serious criminal.
The Hammonds are good productive citizens in our country. They spent time In prison for the burn. Why send them back? Seems like double jeopardy. The government wants their land. Ask yourself why. They can only sell it to the Federal Governmnt ,if they want to sell! Ask yourself why. Study the background in this case. It is overreach by the government and scare tactics being used on the rest of the citizens. The Hammonds were told to have nothing to do with the Patriots-militia.Check this out. If they could answer without threats, I bet they would call them their friends.
The government lies to keep the power over the people. Just look at Obama and his lies. Now, again trying destroy the second Amendment along with Hillary Clinton. God bless the Parriots. They are protecting your rights under our great Constitution. Let’s not let it be destroyed.
Shame on a lame Sheriff who can keep the Feds out and protect the citizens of his county. Study this if you want to learn!
Indeed the sheriff takes an oath to protect the citizens of the county in which he serves. His legal standing in that county supersedes the feds, he’s there as a bulwark to do exactly that if need be. Indeed shame be on any oath taker that takes an oath to defend and shirks his duty to the people who have placed their trust and their lives in his hands.
I am pleased that the people are standing up for their rights. We need more groups to stand up for our rights, ones the government is taking from us. It’s time we stopped paying for politicans free rides and start fighting for our survival.
Lori is ever so correct on what she has posted… it sure is a good feeling to hear a woman speak in terms of patriotism instead of the ” victim hood ” style we hear every minute of every day from “B**tches in hollywood and new york… If this country had women in government like Lori we would have a better system… This idiot named walt must be a lover of the group think propagandist Bernie Sanders… it is really hilarious to hear these people like walt spew off nonsense… it’s always the same, it’s always in the same content, it’s always in the same tone… I am a former Army Ranger… trained well in the skills of ground combat… I support the boys in the north in Oregon… I pray they are not a haphazard group without proper leadership and training, this way they have less risk of casualties…Ethan Allen comes to mind with the situation in Oregon… He organized the farm boys from the mountains of New Hampshire and Vermont to fight the oncoming of British… It really is time to stand up and be counted… Ethan Allen lives… Pray for our good patriots who are making a stand against tyranny… they need all we can give them… Seeing what the muslim commie regime of obummer has caused thus far only tells me this will not end without bloodshed… Hoo Raa, Airborne…Lock and Load… God is on our side…. And oh yes… Walt get the hell out of my country !!!
You are so right catman. And I support your position on the whole Oregon thing. I too am a Army veteran. What I didn’t hear you say is that WE need to stand up and defend and support these people. We should organize all across this great nation in localized protests for the support of those in Oregon. Just like the black lies matters fools are doing. They gain publicity, strength, and support by carrying their message in many locations across the country. Can we do any less? We all know what the black lies matters people believe and want because they make their message known with support showing up in cities all over this country. Why can’t we learn from their tactics and do the same for our brothers in Oregon?
We have got to keep it together right now. I support the Hammond’s strongly, from what I understand of the case. I also oppose this angry radical anti American leftist Isrial hating Islamic sympathetic Binbama administration. However, now is not the time to break down. TERM LIMITS GUYS. It’s almost over. We have a hugh election comming up. Hillery sucks bad!! They will try to use this against Trump Cruz. Start saying bullshit like white terror or supremicists Total horseshit but uninformed people buy into that crap. The people are starting to figure Obama, Hillery, leftist media and academic agenda, thanks to Trump and others. Play it COOL.
And to the federal govrnment!! You play it cool also. The anti white frankenstein mob out there with Obama admin ties is being observed here as well. From what I understand those Hammond men being labled under terrorist prosecution is pretty shitty bully agenda overreach. Hope this ends without anybody getting hurt. TERM LIMITS YEA???? TRUMP 2016
Your plan then is the Obama strategy for defeating the enemy. Lead from behind. Let others get involved. Lay low and then try to talk them to death. This administration and the continuation of it under the Hitlery regime will more of the same kind of tyranny. We have the power and the right ….nay, the responsibility under our Declaration of Independence to fight a tyrannical government that has gotten out of control. Obama will not relent and will not back down when it comes to the American people standing up for their rights. It is only in his weak, misguided, lead from behind, false international policies that don’t work that he believes in. It is we the people who are being run over and controlled by his socialist agenda. Only the weak spine’d and weak minded could leave this opportunity to fall by the side of the road. This so called election that is suppose to happen this coming November may never happen. If it does it is going to be the shame the last two presidential elections were. Look around and pay attention. The left is seeing the rising cry of patriotism and defiance of the silent majority that sat at home during the last two elections. We are fed up and need a rallying point to start our take back of our country that we all love and desire to defend. This could be one of the last opportunities we have to rally all true American patriots to the defense of our country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aide of their country and countrymen. What say all of you complainers? Are you ready to organize all across this great land like the black lies matters folks do? Can we take a lesson from their protests? I think so.
What kind of government imprisons you for 5 years, releases you, then changes it’s mind. Oops, sorry, you have to go back.
Only in the good ol’ U.S.S.A. The United Soviet States of America.
And she is living proof we have been visited by alliens.
It’;s aout time WE THE PEOPLE started standing up against our corrupt government. We need this to spread across America and stand united against what our government is doing. Trump as nuts as he is stands for the values of America and it’s people while the two corrupt parties pick their puppets for us to vote into office. Nobody will take on Obozo because he is black. He is one of the worst presidents we have ever had and history will not be kind to him. We have fools in Congress and Senate making laws to favor lawyers and not the people. They have exempted themselves from a lot of the laws the pass for us to live by? They are hell bent on taking guns away from Americans as they fear of an uprising. We need an uprising against this crooks. Our government is out of control and has been for sometime We The People must stand firm against our government and just say no. Throw out what we have and put in new blood with term limits set by the people!! No benefits no pensions on free plane rides or car service, an forget the free coffee and donuts along with breakfast, lunch and dinners at our expense. Get rid of the 30 or so jets we pay for so these crooks can go any where they chose on our dime. Cuts at the top not at the bottom. Get a flat tax and rid ourselves of the IRS, that is a game to allow the rich to get away with anything. Yes its time long past time but we should stand firm against our government.
This sheriff, Ward, needs to be REMOVED from his job. How irresponsible and dangerous to make up lies about the protesters saying they intend to overthrow the government!!! They NEVER SAID THAT! That’s one hell of a lie to make up about these people! That is slander and libel and it PUT’S THEIR LIVES IN DANGER! Sheriff Ward needs to be fired and arrested for these false accusations!
Sheriffs are nit wits, always exaggerating things to scare people into calling THEM in to shoot the place up, and they get to shoot someone. When Martial law kicks in, the cops and the sheriffs will be the willing participants, no Military personel will want to shoot Americans, but we all know the cops will be glad to be asked to. making them real good targets for pay back, they are street thugs after all.
You are incorrect. Most Sheriffs are reasonable people who are elected and unlike politicians serve their communities well or they wouldn’t be reelected as often as most of them are. There are good and bad in all professions and over generalizing is always a bad idea.
My thought is, why does the U.S. government allowed drug cartels to grown “weed” on public land? I actually read it in the news. It over the U.S.
A few years ago, I heard from the Minutemen, that a farmer up north, needed their help to clear off some “weed” (marijuana) from off his land. His property was aside Federally rented land, held by drugsters. The farmer said the Federal rented land had drugsters on the land, growing “weed”, guarding it with guns. The farmer wanted to get rid of the “weed”. The Minutemen helped the farmer.
Wake up Americans! We are to see and hear the warnings….heed the warnings.
I don’t really see this as a defensive move as was the Bundy Ranch episode and this type of thing may end badly for the entire Country. The principals have indicated a willingness to report to jail and asked these folks not to do anything on their behalf.
Now if the real issue is to challenge the Federal Government I think they need to be careful how they proceed. I am not suggesting they are wrong in challenging the Feds but this nation because of our Muslim President is like a tinder box ready to be ignited. People are buying firearms by the thousands and are generally fed up with all the BS going on and promoted by this Administration. It is not going to take much to set off a major confrontation between the people of this Country and the Federal Government. I am not certain that this is the issue or the best way to try to resolve it.
This issue is nothing in comparison to all of the ‘issues’ that the government has imposed on us illegally and will continue to do so until we united say ‘enough’. No one ever said freedom comes without a price and the price is getting higher by every day we do nothing at all. The American people in their hearts know what’s coming that’s why they are buying firearms in record amounts and God bless them for doing so. They’ve just been waiting until the next shot that’s heard around the world is fired. We can hope such won’t be the case but if it does then there will be no doubt left as to just how far the government is willing to go to hold their power. As I watched Ruby Ridge occur on television the thought kept going through my head, “If they can do this to this family, they can do it to mine.” And YOURS.
OMG. SERIOUSLY??? NO ONE WANTS TO OVERTHROW THE FREAKIN GOVERNMENT. Obviously you are just another lying mouth piece for the government. The Hammonds burned their own land underbrush.. as many farmers would do.. The Government run media tells you what they want you to think and it seems to be working a bit but not everybody is sucking up the info. The government made deals with others that are in the area but the Hammonds did not want to take their deals. So now they have this huge false information campaign going on against them to gather citizen backing. This citizen is not buying it for a second.. There are minerals under that land that are going to be given to CHINA.. Yeah, remember we are so indebted to CHINA that they recently passed a trade agreement that was kept secret from the very citizens of this country. Why was it secret??? Because they sold our country out from under the citizens who inhabit it..That seems to be ok with most couch potatoes out there but it’s damn sure not ok with me. That is probably why they have so many good refinancing plans out now so they can get you to refinance and then call in your debt and give it to China.. China is buying up everything in this country.. I am taking a stand with the Hammonds because any of us could end up having a lying media campaign against us making the world think we are something that we are not.. See how easily they were to lock up? That could be you next my friend. Its was a controled burn and ranchers and farmers do it all the time. The fires burn up dead wood, timber, grass etc…they do it to renew the land for grazing and to prevent major fires from other sources like lighting. They had permission to do an 138 acre control burn from the BLM. which they did. A few years later a lighting strike started a fire which threaten houses and area so they did a one acre back burn to stop the fire, however it got out of hand and burn more than one acre, but it stop the original fire, save the house and area and according to the BLM it renewed the land for grazing cattle. The BLM got mad and arrested them under a new law that states if arson happens on Gov/BLM lands it is terrorism. The judge said it was not terrorism and only gave 3 months and a one year jail time.(the terrorism act calls for 5 years) they served their tine in jail and were released. But when the new BLM management took over they said the men did not get 5 years each they said they had to go back to jail which would be “double jeopardy”. You cant charge someone twice for the same crime…they served their time already. The BLM is doing this to many ranchers and farmers in the area and around the country. https://www.facebook.com/100008074905114/videos/1657983307814150/?hc_location=ufi
Couple of things. First, there already is a nationwide anti-government movement.It’s comprised of conservatives, free thinkers, Tea Party members, veterans, Christians, law abiding gun owners, and taxpayers. Second, the people being persecuted here don’t want to take over the government. They just want the government off their back.
From an Oregonian, whose co-worker knows first-hand the story behind the BLM versus what the Hammonds were accused of and served time for…….and knowing the BLM’s next move will be to remove water rights for eastern Oregon ranchers, I am outraged to know how the federal government is treating them. Darn right this is a federal government over-reach and a further trampling of what once stood as the Constitution of this country. A Constitution that is hated by our current president and his insistence on not working withing our elected representation in a partisan way. I am glad to see the ranchers drawing a line in the sand and calling attention to the overthrow of our Constitutional law by the current administration.