Could the Oregon standoff turn deadly? Oregon’s governor is calling on federal authorities to handle the armed group of milita occupying a local nature reserve as protest, and says it’s time to end it. But the militiamen are vowing not to back down.
The armed group’s spokesman, LaVoy Finicum, told Oregon Public Broadcasting on Wednesday they have “no plans to leave.”
“We are very strong, very firm. This facility will not go back to the federal government, ever,” Finicum told OPB.
Federal, state and local law enforcement officers have been sent to the remote area but so far have avoided doing anything that might provoke a confrontation. That may end soon.
Exasperated by a tense situation that has caused fear among some southeastern Oregon residents since it began Jan. 2, Gov. Kate Brown called on federal officials to “move quickly to end the occupation and hold all of the wrongdoers accountable.”
Since the standoff began Jan. 2, one occupier was arrested for unauthorized use of a vehicle after driving a vehicle owned by the refuge into the town of Burns, and a Montana man who was stopped by Oregon State Police last week for a lighting violation was arrested on charges of being a felon in possession of a firearm.
While many people in the region sympathize with Ammon Bundy and his group’s complaints about federal management of public lands, they have expressed fear as the occupation continues, and there’s been a growing call for the occupiers to go home.
Harney County Judge Steve Grasty has been at the forefront of efforts among locals to show Bundy and his followers they are not welcome. Grasty said Bundy — who is not from Oregon — should get the point that he and his followers need to go back to their home states and leave Harney County alone.
“It seems like he’s out of touch with reality,” Grasty told the AP from Burns.
Grasty said he would like law enforcement to turn up the heat on Bundy and his fellow occupiers — perhaps isolate them by closing off roads leading to the refuge.
“I hope they lock it down. People shouldn’t be coming and going. Maybe it’s time,” he said.
Bundy initially took over the refuge to protest prison terms for two local ranchers convicted of setting fires on federal lands. After the ranchers voluntarily reported to prison, Bundy has justified the occupation by saying he wants federal lands in Harney County turned over to local residents, among other demands. He has also said he is obeying a divine command.
The Associated Press contributed to this article
The governor is guilty of violation of oath of office. Not standing up for the constitution
And how is the Governor not standing up for the constitution????
Communism is alive and well in Amerika.Seems that the central government owns everything now.Hammond ranch will soon be owned by the government and leased to mining companies
AMEN!!
The Constitution says in Art. 1, Sec.8 that the federal government should only own lands for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings. Parks and other random land grabs are not allowed. The logic is to keep the Federal government small. The land in Oregon and most of the country the feds have taken over are not being used as the Constitution demands. THE BIBLE SAYS IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE LAW, GOD’S LAW, HE WILL FORGET YOUR CHILDREN (Hosea 4:6, and several other passages both in the old and new.) Know your Bible, know your Constitution. It is clear on the face of it the fella above never read the Constitution. Join us at National Liberty Alliance or at the Institution For Higher Learning In Common Law
How much can people take? The Feral gov and ProgreSSives like the putz governor, do not care a bit about the ranchers and private property. This is an ongoing UN-USSA Agenda 21 pogrom through out the West.
http://www.pahvantpost.com/the-mary-bullock-story-and-other-related-issues-in-the-long-trail-of-blm-abuses-by-todd-macfarlane/
Tyranny is so “normal” most of Harney County is subdued and going along to get along.
The real question is if Harney County is now the “New Normal” for the USSA?
Right on. It is time the people stood up for their rights. The government seems to own our lives. When will it stop? I say hooray to those ranchers who the guts to fight for what is right.
In most cases, it probably IS the new ‘normal! People in this country have lost their backbone, & any pioneering spirit that might have been in their families. If the 2 World Wars were being fought these days, we’d lose both of them. Too many Americans will sell out, just to gain a few freebies. When the coming disaster hits this country, & it IS coming, God help us, if there aren’t enough people willing to take a stand. As Joshua said, ‘As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.’ And, God is not happy with those who just go along to get along. We’ve let lose a generation of youth that have no morality, have basically allowed evil to be called good, & good to be called evil. People need to start praying, & pray mightily for God’s Divine Intervention, IF it’s not already too late.
George Washington only made one mistake as commanding general of the military. At the end of the Revolutionary War, Washington’s Officer’s hadn’t been paid for months and some in years. They demanded their pay but the Congress denied it and said they would not pay any more out to the Veterans. Washing’s Officers met in a barn and were ready to vote on marching to Philadelphia and shoot all the Congressmen. Washington stopped them dead in their tracks, why I guess we’ll never know.
This sounds exactly like what obama is doing to our service men and women now. He is firing them and eliminating benefits to the VA, yet his administration votes their own pay raises and are exempt from obama care and we as the taxpayers are paying for their health care while being penalized for not being able to afford our own.JUST how much more are we supposed to kiss his butt because he is black and riots are a threat if we slap his wrist? I am of mixed race and have no prejudice towards any ethnic group but obama is a muslim traitor and should not be doing what he is doing and ignoring the Foundation that created America. The Constitution is good and only needs to be enforced to be effective. I and many others of different color have served our country and have seen what dictators can do to great nations when citizens keep their heads in the sand.
What a shame they were stopped. That could have been another shot heard around the world.
MR. Wilbert.
Grads on saying the total truth. Did not think he would last this long.
It is still a wonder how this guy keeps getting away with this and WTF.. and still breathing the same air we do? He made the race issues even worst for not doing nothing about it.
I am USA white male but married to an asian who is more of an USA citizen than I am.
Need to get rid of this muslim black president.
USA Vet.
The reason the members were stopped by Washington was he gave them their severance pay. John Hanson was the newly elected President of the United States under the Articles of Confederation and the Continental Army had been disbanded and they hadn’t been paid because the Continental Congress was broke. So President John Hanson and his brother rounded up 800 pounds silver and gave it to Geo Washington to pay the troops. John Hanson was also the first black president of the United States under the Articles of Confederation for 1 year. Nov 1781 to Nov 1782 . There were 7 presidents before Washington was elected as the 1st president under the Constitution of the United States in 1789
Wilbert, Wayne, a traitor is a traitor no matter what the skin color, you two have said it perfectly what this mastermind of deception have done, he is willing to penalize citizens for late enrollment for life, criminals get slapped on the wrist, and he, somehow, is bringing Muslims all over America using taxpayers money and trying to bring more illegals who have violate the law into this country all this is absurd.
Interesting article;http://app.getresponse.com/click.html?x=a62b&lc=fQT2C&mc=IJ&s=It9UqO&u=BzZh5&y=i&
This clip verifying BLM ‘business as usual’ is both horrifying and sickening! Whatever happened to government as public servants, a government for and by the people? It has become a monster entity unto itself preying on rather than serving the people—us! The BLM is an outrage. Meanwhile, many prayers for Oregon…
Yes, we need more good oligarchs like the Koch brothers to minimalize government and bring freedom to or country! Destroy social security, medicare and get rid of the EPA! What gives BLM the right to ask for equal rights? So what if most of the folks in jail are black and latino on marijuana charges. Thanks god us white folks don’t go to jail at the same rate!
I hope you don’t vote–
Advocating for a fed armed intervention is not “receiving, analyzing and responding people’s grievances” in line with the US Constitution, that’s why the governor is not that smart for the position she occupies…
The Constitution says in Art. 1, Sec.8 that the federal government should only own lands for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings. The land in Oregon and most of the country the feds have taken over are not being used as the Constitution demands. Furthermore the feds are suppose to send a letter of acceptance to the state offering the land to be validly owned by the federal government. I doubt Oregon has ever received such acceptance letter.
Yeap….apparently ….is a lackey of the Obama Admin and is a COMMIE! They do things the communist way meaning they will not want to work out anything regarding the true Laws of the Constitution when it comes to the FEDS taking over land that belongs to the people and not them. WHO DOES THE GOVERNOR WORK FOR? IS THE QUESTION. SPECIAL INTEREST OR THE PEOPLE WHO PUT HER THERE OR SHE UNLAWFULLY HAS BEEN ELECTED.
The Government is suppose to be working for the Tax pay citizens. What is bad about the Oregon stand off situation is: The government has gotten to big for the people. The government appears to be totally out of reach of the American people. There agenda is to MURDER disagreeing with them. GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS THE RANCHERS IN OREGON.
Great comment. More people need to stand up and help each other like the ones in Oregon. We all need to care that our rights are being taken away from us. For too long people have sit back and let the government tell them if and when they can do someting…..that is NOT FREEDOM,THAT IS NOT AMERICA.
Get a grip people,cowboy up as they say….be bold…….too much control.over the American people …..we need to look to what the future has in store for us and our children….right now it looks bleek ….our government leaders are cutting our freedoms out,one at the time…..it has to STOP.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GOD BLESS PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE COURAGE TO STAND UP FOR EVERYONE’S RIGHTS,LIKE THE PEOPLE IN OREGON.
MAY THEY REMAIN SAFE!!!
Governor Kate should stay home and bake cookies for the neighbor kids..
Remember the Branch Dividian massacre of 1993 in Waco Texas when Janet Reno sent government troops in to burn down their compound? They used tank mounted flame throwers and burned 82 men, women and children alive. That’s what happens when insane people run a government. The Davidians were an offshoot group related to the Seventh Day Adventists and were obviously a terrible threats to the government. These protestors / ranchers must be a terrible threat as well. From what I see the biggest threat is the democrat party takeover of a once proud conservative state like Oregon.
EXACTLY
I could see the smoke from this murderous event from my home . It was an incredible disaster, that should have never happened.
Hasn’t been a conservative state for years. It’s run by Portland, Salem and Eugene. Cities,here, like most places, are largely populated by liberals. The rural folks, those who really work for a living, are not well represented.
I agree the governor will have the blood of her citizens on her hand. These people have been pushed around by the government. And will die for what they believe in. She needs to have a meeting with them and work this out. I think there is something on that ranch that the government wants and they are willing to kill to get it. What would that be???? I do think It is the citizens that are complaining about the guys holding this . The governor has been told to take it. This could be any American citizen that is being treated this way. It isn’t right and they don’t care. The government is out of control.
You are absolutely correct. The BLM is confiscating this land according to the United Nations Agenda 21 Plan to move all humans into crowded cities & take control of our ranch & farm lands. I support Ammon Bundy & all supporters of our Constitutional Rights. These Lazy nearly Brain Dead People need to wake up & realize what is really going on here. They are sentencing their children & grandchildren to a life of servitude to an over reaching & overbearing out of control Rouge government.
The rush for this to end is the facts when Hillary was Secretary of State she sold uranium on the property to Iran & Russia. So they new to start to mining and can’t have anyone witness to this going on. Don’t believe check it out for yourself. Also she (Hillary) is funding her run to WH is funded by this illegal actions.
Yep and they will return it (uranium)in the in its altered form (BOMBS)
The government is seemingly reaching out too far. Why do they need to take over private land? It seems that the government has enough land already. It just kills my spirit to see the government do things like this when the ranchers have been on the land for a very, very long time.
The Governor should be ashamed of her self for not standing with the people that elected her.
SHAME SHAME SHAME on her.
Those folks didn’t elect her, I’ll guarantee you. This is exactly the reason why they wouldn’t.
Now is the time for the black people to step up and join the white in saving our land. Stand side by side and declare your love for America. Armed and ready to help in this fight.
She was never elctected to governor office she is a true moron.
Governmet ! Please Stand Down !!
Don’t you know you have other battles going on a heck more important ! We know you have strenght but controll it or show it where it is more needed and stop wasting our tax dollars !!
Thank You……….Trump in 2016 !!
People should know the truth about the Bureau of Land Managements persecution of these land owners.
Their criminal actions should NEVER go unpunished. There is something seriously wrong with a government that forces people off their property by devious methodologies. There were no abnormalities about the burns which enhance the property. Including the land that was already confiscated through devious ways.
Shame on this Government. Let’s get Trump in there so he can straighten out all these types of criminal injustices by the present good for nothing politicians.
Thank God for the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution. I say, annihilate the criminal bureaucratic bastards.
I am Conservative and well armed to defend myself and my fanily’s rights. The Bundy’s are thiefs and cheats. As a taxpayer I am tired of leaches – Rice farmers who brag about making more money for not growing rice than they do for growing it. Cattlemen who want an unfair advantage over those who own and pay for grazing by cheating me and other taxpayers by not paying for grazing land. These people are Not heroes they are common criminals and I would gladly join a malitia that would go and take back taxpayer land. Now that would be patriotic
I don’t know what makes the Bundy’s so special:they need to pay like everyone else! I agree with the Oregon Gov. They need to leave or face the results!
you right,we have to impeach all of them?
You are so correct and thank you for all that you are doing.The eyes of many countries are on the corrupt!
Obama Treason Cheating State Citizens out of their states wealth and resources !!!!!!!!
The Obama Administration is allowing Foreign Entities to come in and Use State resources and Land without going through the Formal Process of Article 4 Section 3 Clause 2 , and the Citizens of the states be Compensated formally for such acts by the Obama Administration of states citizens be in charge and make deals themselves with these foreign entities !!!!!!!
Please read the link , http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/4/essays/126/property-clause
The whole argument over State Rights vs Federal Government police state rights can be boiled down to the fact that the state has to agree to FORMAL CESSION of sovereignty of that land designated for Federal Policing and Formal would mean that the Public was made aware that this was going to happen and that state citizenry were in agreement of such Cession , and that be with Just Compensation , so the Question would be was these things done in Oregon , or any state that has experienced Malicious actions by a Federal agency that takes land away ????
These SEZ sites should have first formally been asked for by the federal Government through the process of Article 4 Section 3 Clause 2 and the states cession of said location be made with Just Compensation to the state , and or the state agree on its own to allow SEZ into their state with just compensation to the state and management being done by state policy and activity . http://www.solareis.anl.gov/sez/index.cfm
This guy talks about having More Proof of the CIA , and a Canadian Co. facilitating the Uranium sale off the Hammond’s Ranch working with Hillary Clinton , and will reveal it in his next article, https://investmentwatchblog.com/why-is-the-cia-taking-over-burns-oregon/ .
There were no Formal requests made by the Obama administration in the Public forum process under the Article 4 Section 3 Clause 2 rights of the state . This can be said across the board on a variety of states resources according to this link , http://tvoinews.com/featured/the-cowboys-last-stand-2/
MAKE THE FBI STAND DOWN in BURNS OREGON while this Constitutional Crisis is being worked out by Demanding protection under the CONSTITUTION RESTORATION ACT !!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqEYMaYo1Yo
The FBI is being ordered to secure the area and all areas , YOU CAN under this Constitutional restoration act DEMAND the Federal Government WHO HAS MADE DEALS with Foreign Nationalists for the State Lands resources TO STAND DOWN while you are working out this constitutional crisis , and you can use the Courts to STOP THEM from using FORCE to take back control with this Constitution Restoration ACT ordering the Courts to tell the Federal Government to STAND DOWN !!!!!!!!!!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Restoration_Act
Its time to Bring a Constitution Restoration Act action against the Obama Administration Claiming Article 4 Section 3 Clause 2 process was Not followed to allow Obama to sell and make agreements with Foreign Counties to own and use US State Lands !!!!!!!!!!!
Who is going to bring this suit? Why don’t you contact Edwin Vierra? He is an attorney who WANTS to bring these kinds of suits. Instead of giving any more money to SuperPACS, why not support this action, which will stop and indict Obama, Clinton, Biden ( etc) including members of Congress who participated. Start this Now! Linda
yes……IN DEED……but not until this gets fixed will we become whole again. It may take a time or 2 to sink in but its for reals my friend. PLEEEEZE take 15 min to listen to this. Small sacrifice for the wizened ole patriot in ya……https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gABSat3N7xg
The people should stand together and fight for whats right the gov is just trying to take control of everything including our rights of americans ,I guess they will send somebody in and kill all the protesters as usual like they did on ruby ridge and waco the land belongs to the people and the people has not done one thing wrong.
I was thinking along the same lines. Reminiscent of Waco and Ruby Ridge. Out of control Government.
this just one instance!! Many more to come!
CIVIL WAR LETS GET IT ON AND TAKE THIS COUNTRY BACK !!!
I think along those lines also.
Special forces should be sent in to exterminate those crooks NOW!!!!.
this IS HOW OUR REVOLUTION WILL BEGIN; every war is started with a SINGLE BULLET.;;;;;HERE IS MY SUPPORT TODAY; “don’ tread on me & give me liberty or give me death”;;;;;;;my next move is to begin moving towards the conflict at a high alert status, molon labe. Governor, you REALLY DON’T WANT TO DO THIS.
I dont think the feds will let you in.Every body will have to fight their way in to join. Our fight from in and out. Remember WACO they brought an ASSAULT VEHICLE IN FOR THAT. Our was it a tank. I hope the protesters are well a ware of what they are capable of doing. They dont have account for why. They dont care how many die. Good people doesn’t matter to them, If both sides kill each other, they will be slapping each other on the back saying job well done.
For the love of God don’t mention the Constitution around the local Sheriff. You’ll be tossed on your duff. Government is totally out of control.
Wonder how many snipers the Feds have in place.
There has been nothing but trouble since the Foreign King ascended to the throne of America. Harry Reid fighting against Bundy joined by the horrible corrupt and Pirate group which evolved in the democratic party. They is a group simply hell bent on keeping distracting topics alive while inundating our country with Barbaric groups of illegals. The whole idea is to keep us confused as to the Main Topic of the Day so they can push another devastating piece of legislation or some measure to further Reduce our power to fight them back.
I agree with the Constitution thanks, Theron
Well guys, I fully empathize with your position. I agree also that I do not like the way the Federal Government manages all of our lands in the West. You have made your point. I will now point out, it is not right for you to put an entire community on edge the way you have. Taking over with weapons should be the last resort. Again, I say, you have made your point. Now making absolute statements such as “We will never leave, or this land will never go back under Government control” you are asking for escalation. An armed confrontation you can not win. Again, you made your point, now go home and fight it in the courts. If “WE” the people support your position, that will help you. If “WE” the people do not, you are probably doomed to failure no matter what. I understand your position, just do not believe we are at a point where anyone should die over it. That is what you are saying when you make “Absolute” statements. Please, go home before anyone gets hurt!
Vern , Please Start here : I do not work for the Gov. ; They work for us ; Until this is not established Followed and Obeyed ; nothing will change . If you demonstrate with Signs only , They will put you ( all of us ) in jail ; but an armed Law abiding citizen , They will back off .
Thanks.
I SUPPORT THEM 100%!!!!!!! AFTER THE GOV. SETS INTENTIONAL FIRES ON THEIR LAND, ENDANGERING CHILDREN, WOMEN, AND ANIMALS WITHOUT REMORSE, ALL THESE RANCHERS WANT IS TO KEPT THE WOODS AWAY FROM THEIR LAND SO THEY CAN OPERATE CORRECTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Free the Hammonds and investigate the BLM!!!
This article did not address the reason the Hammond’s are going BACK to jail, a second time for a bogus charge. All of the alphabet soup agencies have too much power. This will, no doubt, end like Ruby Ridge, or Waco.
The sheriff. The sheriff of EVERY county in the USA has ULTIMATE lawful power and authority. From English law and common law of centuries ago – – -it is the sheriff who is the CLOSEST connected public official and law enforcement person of ***all*** crises and situations. THAT WAS WHY THE COUNTRY WAS SET UP – – to have sheriffs TOP GUN. A. The sheriff should LEAD;i.e., when in command, COMMAND !!!!!! B. Sheriff ought to bring onto the table a *JUST* mediation; talk this over………..get the guns and hot tempers out of the way. C. Do NOT do NOT lay siege to the rebels; do not cut off groceries and water and supplies; that is the way of TYRANTS down through history. Let them have food, gasoline, medical stuff if needed – – – Ghandize them,,,,,,,,,,do what Ghandi would do……overwhelm them with………….care and love. And, they will give up all of their militancy. This is the USA, not Nazi Germany. I know, I live 90 miles from the radical Freeman movement of 1995-1996 that eventually had 669 FBI people up here. WOWOWOWOWOWOW. Overkill to the nth degree. Thank you.
The rights of the Hammond’s were violated when the we’re sent back to prison for something they had already done their time for! That’s unconstitutional. Easy at to steal their land if they’re not there to work it either. Sounds like something bigger going on if you ask me.
Feds want the Uranium and other minerals to trade or give away to Foreigners .
The Feds are in the Wrong on this deal !
Stop calling them armed militia . There’s only a few guys protecting the Hammond Land and standing up to our Criminal Government !
This piece by The Horn News is not reporting all known information on this situation; namely the contract the land owners have to care for the lands; that the feds have burned land themselves, and the BLM set fires intentionally, which were not contained, nor watched, as a scare tactic towards American citizens, destroying private property, live stock, and homes. This is unfortunately not a reliable news source!
The rights of the Hammond’s were violated when the were sent back to prison for something they had already done their time for! That’s unconstitutional. Easy to steal their land if they’re not there to work it either. Sounds like something bigger going on if you ask me.
There is undoubtedly more here than meets the eye. Maybe both have a valid argument but I would not think a violent eviction will solve anything. Maybe a binding arbitration by a truly unbiased mediator would help?
More people than one would think feel this way. The Feds are doing things like this all over our country.
No need for any bloodshed, Let them stay there, they will eventfully leave.They aren’t hurting anything.the building belongs to them as tax payers.and from what I understand it was not in use. So why is the governor so eager for someone to die over it.
Maybe a Geiger Counter had checked the land and found an abundance of radioactivity there. The government as displayed by Hillary will go to great measures for sales to any country or however they can add to their enormous wealth. When the government is involved there is usually Much: Much More to the picture than meets the eye. I wonder why the People have such a Sour Outlook on our current government. We all know that answer. Let the Ranchers alone to Thrive and do what they do best. We already knew how distasteful a diet this administration puts forth really is.
People of Oregon what the he!! Is wrong with u? The Feds hav no right to own state lands! Hillary Clinton has sold the uranium rights of this land to CHINA! Do the people of Oregon NOT CARE ABOUT THAT? I have never seen such weak sheeple! Get a grip! The Feds r taking people’s land for penny’s on the dollar- u do not stand up for what’s right just who do u think is gonna stand up for u when u r WRONGED?
The people of Oregon are not bothered by this protest. The media is reporting on a very small minority.
I AGREE 10000% PEOPLE DONT THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE ,IF WE DONT HAVE PEOPLE LIKE THEM STANDING UP FOR WHATS RIGHT IT WILL GET WORST AND THE GOV WILL CONTROL US LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER STAND UP YOU WEAK PATHETIC PEOPLE, DONT YOU HAVE A BACKBONE ATLEAST STAND UP WITH THESE GUYS SUPPORT THEM THERE COMING FROM OTHER STATES TO STAND UP FOR US ALL DONT COMPLAINE ABOUT THEM BEING THERE SUPPORT THEM !!!!! WE THE PEOPLE MUST KEEP THE GOV IN CHECK /BALANCE CANT YALL SEE THIS GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Right on Diana: I am so disappointed that everyone sits back and lets the government commit crime after crime with almost no repercussions. God by the way only helps those who make an effort to help themselves. This New Age Attitude that time and God will heal all without us putting forth some efforts is totally asinine. This administration does not wish to Govern for Us; but rather to Control us and their efforts are noticeable; while ours aren’t
If the Farmers and Ranchers want the Federal Government to take over their Land let them have it. The people that live in that area apparently believe in all that Communist BS the Federal Government is slinging.
sorry, but that’s a pretty ignorant comment. Maybe you should learn about the subject before spewing a statement like that. Just sayin’
I totally understand the reasons why this is happening. I understanding how the government is and has taken the land that is not theirs.
I live in Nevada and it is very sad that 80% of our land is owned by the federal government because they took it. Nevada is not fighting to take it back and this is the problem. The States have made it very clear, they are not going to stand up and fight for this land. If the states do not want control of the land and they have made it clear they do not, who is going to pay to manage and care for this land? If you believe the cattle ranchers will, I don’t think so, I was a cattle rancher and worked the government leases, most of these ranchers who lease the land do not take care of it and its sad, one industry that profits from the use of the public land and they over run it, which causes all sorts of problems. There is a balance and when you over run the land with cattle especially in drought years just because you have the lease is crazy, it ruins the land. It’s not at all fair for those of us who do care. I’m afraid the Bundy’s are in a situation that is going to fail all of us believers out here. If they had gotten thousands of commitments from others willing to come and stand with them before they took over this property it would be a much different story. Bundy himself spent 2 weeks going back and forth from Nevada to Oregon he had mor than enough time to get this done right, but now even the local people in Oregon want him to go home. A comment was made the other day about giving many of us who have not gone to Oregon to stand with the Bundy’s a derogatory title, because we were not on our way to stand with them against the government. This is not only unfair its crazy, maybe effective journalism, but very unfair, to those of us who work and support families. If the Bundy’s want to head up this cause there are much more effective ways of doing it. Those ways will end in success where the general public will listen and stand behind the movement to take our land back. The way it’s going now it’s going to end in defeat and then you have lost the audience of successful people who were supporting the cause.
There is a simple and honest way to resolve this issue.
Violence is not the answer.
If Bundy and his people are killed, they become matyrs to the cause.
The government can admit their serious error and release the Hammonds and this entire situation will resolve peacefully.
The hammonds were railroaded and we all know it.
The government knows it, the law enforcement knows it and so does everyone that has half a brain and can tell right from wrong.
Release the Hammonds and it’s then time to start negotiations to get the lad back into local control.
High handed rough shod actions by the government will only result in more hostilities.
The last thing the liberal government need now, DURING AN ELECTION YEAR is a black eye over another “Ruby Ridge” type stunt.
This whole thing can be avoided by doing whats right.
The Hammonds should be released, their records expunged and possibly even compensated for their duress during this trumped up mess.
This entire mess has been a government caused overstepping of authority.
Do the right think people of power, let the hammonds go and let this thing cool off.
Not doing so will result in a terrible mistake on your part.
People are sick and tired of your strong armed tactics.
Nuff said
When you actually see people from the BLM burning the land around the ranches , indirect conflict with these ranchers its time to act. We in the militia are not going to allow it to happen anymore , we are tired of how this tyrannical current corrupt Obama Administration is going to dictate how they are going to run this country , I have no respect for the Interior Department and the BLM agents that work for her. After witnessing how these guys were just burning land at will , if it was my ranch I would have asked them to stop and if they didn’t I would have citizen arrested them . If they didn’t stop I would have fired on them , making them believe we weren’t going to put up with any more of their shit. Government Federal Employees are thieves all protected by the Union and have no respect for us taxpayers and citizens of this country , who pay their salaries , bonuses, vacations and Health Care .
A very high percentage of folks in america do not trust our government anymore. We have a president in office who is doing things to damage this country that far exceed what is happening here and congress knows it, and will not start impeachment when the people of this country are screaming in every direction to stop him. I would take time to listen to this rancher who is standing up for his rights under the constitution and take time to listen to the other ranchers who were driven out by the federal government. Surely, all the families that were run off their land did not commit crimes.
It is always with a sad heart that I witness this kind of confrontation, as it heats up with the controlled asinine media laying down the “Tinder” to fuel the bigger burn that is coming. Just because many of you perceive these militiamen as “loose cannons” is almost as laughable as perceiving the Black Panthers as a peaceful “civil rights” movement. We all know too damn well that the events at Waco, Texas was a “Fed cover up” and a travesty to the innocents who were in that church. It was not a compound. 88 women and children died because the feds were there to prove their tyrannical control. Of course, David Koresh was made to look like a psychopathic, child molesting maniac, while the feds strategically placed members of our military Delta Force snipers along with an FBI sniper, in the rear of the Branch Davidian Church to shoot people coming out the back. I could go on and on about the federal abuse of power, yet, you’ll raise hell about a few good men that are standing up ( finally) to this abuse, while members of armed Black Panthers walk the streets, militant BLM folks loot, riot and destroy public property and our government subsidize every debaucherous act against our personal freedoms too long to list. 9-1-1 was a facade and I will not even begin to address that horrible travesty. The POTUS has become dictatorial, and many of you yelp like crybabies when good men challenge the obvious constitutional violations by not only the feds, but also the gutless Governor of Oregon. How sheep-ly you have become. I call it a politically correct form of simple cowardice. For those condemning the actions of a few good men, let your reward be eventual tyranny and devastation of this once great nation as it falls into the hands of the Corporate International banking cartels, known more commonly as “The New World Order.” Something evil this way comes.
Thank You!
The military needs to remove them Now.
If the Feds open fire on these Patriots they will start the coming 2ND Revolution. But we are seeing just how many cowards live in the northwest. They would rather have government dictate to them and they would rather live on their knees as slaves to a Police State than as free men. I remember when more Americans had Morals and a Backbone and would stand up to TYRANNY. I remember when Americans had Honor. When they would protect & defend their rights & the CONSTITUTION. But now too many are ready to bend over and take it in the ying yang whenever the Social Fascist wind blows. There are too many Socialist Girl men in the U.S. these days. Please keep them in the Northwest we don’t need them in the Heartland.
YES I AGREE ,CHUCK IS ONE OF THEM WEAK LITTLE P,,,,,,,,,,SYS
“CHUCK SAID “SEND THE MILITARY TO REMOVE THEM NOW ”
I HOPE ISIS COMES TO CHUCKS HOUSE FIRST BECAUSE HIS LOVE FOR THIS GOV THAT IS TRYING TO DESTROY AMERICA !!! I BET CHUCK IS SCARED TO OWN A GUN THAT COULD PROTECT HIS OWN FAMILY ,WHAT A LADYBOY !!!!!!! YOUR A PATHETIC COMMIE
The Federal Government has no business owning any state land, only the said state has that right. It’s part of the Constitution of the USA. Our out of control government is becoming a dictatorship under Hussein Obama. The only land our Federal Government has the right to own is the District of Columbia, nothing else.
Wacco. You’re living in a fantasy. Get a grip. This gross misunderstanding of the U.S. Constitution will result in an impotent movement. You guys & gals are pissing in the wind. I pray for a peaceful resolution in Oregon. However, if any of the armed trespassers are determined to push the envelope and become a martyr for their inane cause, then so be it. Just because you can’t get the Court of Public Opinion or the Federal Courts to go along with your interpretations of the U.S. Constitution, doesn’t mean you can take arms and impose your little wills upon We The People. If you think you’re right, then try educating the citizens of this country. You’re current approach appears to denigrate the average citizen and justify authoritarian, anti-American activities. This approach appears to be a compensation for your sense of impotence. Do you really think waiving a gun at the Feds make you a man? Do you really think you can go toe to toe with law enforcement or the military? Don’t you realize what a very small minority your ideology represents in this country? We’ve already had the American Revolution. We have a system in place where you can present your grievances. You are going to have to live with the majority will of the people. If you don’t like America, I suggest you immigrate some where else. If you attempt to bully We The People, then the outcome will not be pleasant for you folks. I suggest you try educating yourselves and sharing what you’ve learned with the American people. Maybe you can elect a representative or two to carry water for you and promote your cause. This is the American Way. The government is not the enemy. Our government is “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” Separation lies in thought.
Anyone who looks at this situation and still agrees that BO’s latest plan to ‘keep the children safe’ by tightening up on gun possession, better wake up. What would this situation look like if only the authorities had guns right now?? THINK PEOPLE. The goal is to disarm the citizens in order to control them from practicing their constitutional rights.
These BUNDY BOYS are wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but do want all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. This family is nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism….
..yeah, GO HOME NOW, PLEASE…your 9 children are being convinced that they need you, your wife tolerates you, your neighbors…not so much, but we, here in Oregon, would like to see the back side of your ass moving down the road as fast as it can…taking you with it….
Vote Hillary Rodham Clinton/Julian Castro 2016, 2020
MINDY YOU ARE A DUMB B COMMIE PROB A FOOD STAMP RECEPIENT, FREE LOADING OBAMA/HILLARY LOVING ,I HOPE ISIS GOES TO YOUR HOUSE FIRST !!!!!! JUST SHUT UP
It is not private property,If the federal government is paying the land tax to the county and state then they have the right to decide how it is used.If they do not pay the taxes they meaning the BLM ,THEY SHOULD HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS over that land than any other group like the ARMY/Navy,or D.C. parks dept. Also I do not think any vote was taken to put some gun happy milita in charge of any thing. So they are both wrong.
Cutting off roads leading into this contested area would be a good idea. The Bundys got into trouble because they used public lands and refused to pay for grazing rights. The ranchers were found guilty of setting a fire on property they did not own.
If the federal government is going to give the Bundy family free use of public lands for grazing, where do I go to get my free government land? As for the firebugs, if someone came onto my property and started a fire I would want them prosecuted and would want compensation for the damage they caused. I’m sure there are legitimate examples of government overreach, but these two cases aren’t good examples. If the names are removed most people are going to agree that there should be some sort of compensation required to use government resources for personal profit. Most reasonable people are going to have a problem with someone starting a fire on someone else’s property.
These BUNDY BOYS are uneducated wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but want to keep all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. These BUNDY’S are nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
Grazing fees are $1.39 per cow/per day for a grand total of $43.28 per month, and $519.36 per year. When a 2,000 lb steer is sold, a good price is .86 so the price would be around $1,720. which would net the BUNDYS $1,200.64 which is a healthy profit for them, but they are greedy and want it all…same for the SBA LOAN BELOW.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism…. and how they come up with their reasoning?…god is talking to Aaron Bundy….right?!
Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semi-trucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—The Bundy business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program “to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace.” The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.
so these rich kids the BUNDY’s have convinced some white supremesist walmart shoppers to squat on federal land in the name of some idiotic cause because they, the BUNDY BOYS and their father CLIVEN BUNDY don’t want to pay their fair share of grazing fees on federal land leased by them…spare me anyone’s rationalization excuse…these rich kids are tax dodgers with guns….who will hold their wives and children in front of them to keep from being shot…they are cowards, never served their country in any manner and want us to foot the bill….
Cut the power, water, blow up the propane, fence the area and cut off all services from the outside by jamming the cell reception…they probably have short wave, jam that…just cut them off from all outside reception by any means necessary….see how long they last, and guard the compound and wait them out…..how long can you survive if you can’t flush?
make you a bet that when this is over, they will have trashed the place and you and I will have to pay to restore it….
The heat could be removed from this situation if Congress would take part. But they will not as they are as much to blame as anyone else in the government simply because the individual states rely on federal funds and receive them without concern from their constituents. The Constitution did not visualize economic blackmail by the government. It is a federal kickback to the states. NO ONE IN THE GOVERNMENT HAS THE INTERITY TO GET INVOLVED. IF TRUMP WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE HIS ABILITIES NOW IS THE TIME. IF ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES MEAN WHAT THEY SAY THEY WOULD BE INVOLVED TO AVOID THE VIOLENCE THAT WILL RESULT AS A RESULT OF FEDERAL OVERKILL. WHY IS THERE NO LAW REP WILLING TO ACT PRO BONO? This whole thing is going to blow. If they are there in the Spring this 80 year old vet will join them……………..
Why was BLM burning the Land around the Hammond Ranch, its all on video showing the government workers doing that . The info is on Freedom outpost.com , also explains that on the Hammond Ranch & the Bundy Ranch are significant amounts of Uranium . The BLM is willing to Shed Blood in order to Procure Uranium for various Purposes. Hillary Clinton in her role of committing treason against the US. through the illegal appropriation of Uranium at both the Hammond & Bundy ranches. Then selling the Uranium to the Russians in order to help fund her Presidential Run through a largely untraceable offshore account. This was reported in the New York Times that You Tube Channel owned by “dutchsinse” makes a case that several Ranches not just Bundy’s & Hammond’s , have been under assault in order to procure precious metals . Hillary Clinton Sold uranium to the Russians while serving as Secretary of State & this is what the Bundy & Hammond Ranch affairs are all about. It was sold to a company called Uranium One a 35 acre ranch by John Christenson they have the mining rights to the property .Uranium One is directly responsible for transferring Uranium from BLM land to the Russians through an off shore holding company .Again according to the New York Times , the Russians through three separate transactions , acquired Uranium One while paying off the Clintons & their Canadian partners from 2009-2013 . The business deal also involved paying Bill Clinton $500,000.00 for a speech on Energy , which was delivered in Moscow. The land in question is our land, anyone caught burning it like the so called Hammond Ranch owners both Father & Son are now in jail for protecting their ranch , but the BLM can continue burning ranches around where access to the Uranium for the Russians is . That’s why the militia are there in Oregon to protect the local ranchers , from the BLM who are trying to burn them out.
These BUNDY BOYS are uneducated wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but want to keep all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. These BUNDY’S are nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
Grazing fees are $1.39 per cow/per day for a grand total of $43.28 per month, and $519.36 per year. When a 2,000 lb steer is sold, a good price is .86 so the price would be around $1,720. which would net the BUNDYS $1,200.64 which is a healthy profit for them, but they are greedy and want it all…same for the SBA LOAN BELOW.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism…. and how they come up with their reasoning?…god is talking to Aaron Bundy….right?!
Ammon Bundy runs a Phoenix-based company called Valet Fleet Services LLC, which specializes in repairing and maintaining fleets of semi-trucks throughout Arizona. On April 15, 2010—Tax Day, as it happens—The Bundy business borrowed $530,000 through a Small Business Administration loan guarantee program. The available public record does not indicate what the loan was used for or whether it was repaid. The SBA website notes that this loan guarantee was issued under a program “to aid small businesses which are unable to obtain financing in the private credit marketplace.” The government estimated that this subsidy could cost taxpayers $22,419. Bundy did not respond to an email request for comment about the SBA loan.
so these rich kids the BUNDY’s have convinced some white supremesist walmart shoppers to squat on federal land in the name of some idiotic cause because they, the BUNDY BOYS and their father CLIVEN BUNDY don’t want to pay their fair share of grazing fees on federal land leased by them…spare me anyone’s rationalization excuse…these rich kids are tax dodgers with guns….who will hold their wives and children in front of them to keep from being shot…they are cowards, never served their country in any manner and want us to foot the bill….
Cut the power, water, blow up the propane, fence the area and cut off all services from the outside by jamming the cell reception…they probably have short wave, jam that…just cut them off from all outside reception by any means necessary….see how long they last, and guard the compound and wait them out…..how long can you survive if you can’t flush?
make you a bet that when this is over, they will have trashed the place and you and I will have to pay to restore it….
Your use of information about Bundy that is not openly available via public media suggests that you are one of the USGov employees who are trying to acquire the Public Lands for the private use of a few USGov politicians, such as Harry Reid and his contemptable entourage.
You couldn’t have put it better. This whole deal stinks. When will people wise up and stop eating the **** the government feeds them?
The wrong doer’s are Obama and his Administration the United States Senate and the Congess
These BUNDY BOYS are wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but do want all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. This family is nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism….
..yeah, GO HOME NOW, PLEASE…your 9 children are being convinced that they need you, your wife tolerates you, your neighbors…not so much, but we, here in Oregon, would like to see the back side of your ass moving down the road as fast as it can…taking you with it….
Vote Hillary Rodham Clinton/Julian Castro 2016, 2020
The BLM recently had a retirement party. At the party they bragged about how much land they stole for pennies on the dollar. The BLM is out of control and not even a legal entity. The occupiers are standing up for the constitution. It does not give the federal gov the right to take our property, except 10 sq miles for a military camp, etc, very limited. Owning most of the property in the West is out and out tyranny!!
These BUNDY BOYS are wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but do want all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. This family is nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism….
..yeah, GO HOME NOW, PLEASE…your 9 children are being convinced that they need you, your wife tolerates you, your neighbors…not so much, but we, here in Oregon, would like to see the back side of your ass moving down the road as fast as it can…taking you with it….
Vote Hillary Rodham Clinton/Julian Castro 2016, 2020
The whole issue of the federal government owning land started with Teddy Roosevelt when he created the National Parks System. It has since turned into a unscrupulous land grab all across the country. Someone please show me where any of this is even mentioned in the Constitution.
Oregon is a ultra liberal state and they want the government to take care of them!
The Government should do nothing just leave them alone and they will go home!If the Fed go in and shoot them people will rise up and a lot of people will be hurt or killed whether they are involved or not.
These BUNDY BOYS are wealthy ranchers who don’t want to pay their taxes for grazing their thousands of head of cattle on federal lands, but do want all the profit when the animals are slaughtered….where is the Sierra Club protecting our lands and crying for the monies to do so…get it from this ripoff BUNDY FAMILY. This family is nothing but squatters who are making zillions of $$$ ripping off the rest of us with their cattle shitting all over public property….where is the ire of that pollution? Everyone who pays their taxes every year (it is tax season right now) should be pissed off by BUNDY TAX RIPOFF.
…this situation is nothing more than a tax dodge by the BUNDY FAMILY including their father to steal from the American People in the name of racism….
..yeah, GO HOME NOW, PLEASE…your 9 children are being convinced that they need you, your wife tolerates you, your neighbors…not so much, but we, here in Oregon, would like to see the back side of your ass moving down the road as fast as it can…taking you with it….
Vote Hillary Rodham Clinton/Julian Castro 2016, 2020
Trump keeps telling the voters how good he is at “The Deal”–lets see a meaningful demonstration. How about any of those others running heir mouths? Lets see something from them. Lets see this circumstance in the political debate!
I WAS BORN IN HOOD RIVER OREGON AND NOW LIVE IN TEXAS, THINGS LIKE THIS GET OUT OF HAND. I REMEMBER WHEN THE TOWN OF ANTLOPE , OR. WAS TAKEN OVER BY THE CULT OF A GUY CALLED THE BOGWAN AND HIS RIGHT HAND DIVA, IT WAS AN ARMED TOWN AND THEY WERE GOING TO CONTROL OREGON, THERE WAS NEVER AN ARMED CONFLICT, BUT THEY LEFT, THEY CAUGHT HIM IN NORTH CAROLINA OR SOME WHERE, TIMES WERE DIFFERENT AND PEOPLE HAD COMMON SENSE TO DEAL WITH THOSE THINGS, NOT NOW.
Vote Trump in 2016, he will end the PC, Liberal/Communist BS within USA and US Government. And re-start America, and get back to American Values and US. Constitution back in to our Schools, Business, Police department and especially in to the US Military again. Vote Trump 2016.
I hope anyone responsible for slaughtering animals for being “invasive” shot each other and die off.
Kate Brown is ignorant and incompetence. She will continue in the Oregon tradition of institutionalizing nepotism, cronyism, and ignorance. Just watch what she does with this. Watch her “judicial” appointments. Watch, if you can, what isn’t easily visible at all to the rest of the nation.
30+ years ago I was asking when agencies such as USFS, BLM, NPS, CDF change from being the “caretaker” of public lands to being the “landlord”. Here in California and I assume elsewhere Public Lands have been gated. At first they were “seasonal” gates to prevent road damage during wet weather. Then they were to reduce cost of upkeep of the roads. Now they are just “Closed”. When ask why public lands are “closed” the response is “It’s not closed, you can walk in there. Just don’t park on the roadway.” The dearest parking area may be a mile away. I am 70 years old and these areas, despite what is said, are closed to me. I don’t know if Bundy is doing this the “right” way, but something needs to be done differently.
Hillary and Harry Reed have already sold mineral rights to land in NV and OR. Now they have to force people who have vested grazing rights off the land. I suspect sometime in the not too distant future we will find out just how much our traitorous government can get away with. And they wonder why Trump is so popular.
The first thing i want to do is correct a misapprehension that i observed while reading through this thread:
No one has any “constitutional rights.” Never have; never will. What we DO have are “natural rights,” given by Our Creator. The Constitution’s main purpose was to make all employees thereof swear oaths of loyalty to it so that THEY are the guarantors of our God-given rights…but, these rights are only as good as the honor, integrity, and fealty of those who swear under oath that they will “preserve, protect, and defend” it and it’s principles “against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC.”
Second in importance to me – please point to any part of the Constitution OR Amendments that would authorize anything REMOTELY like a “Bureau of Land Management, ” much less vest it with dictatorial powers which do an end-run around the Due Process guarantees they swore to uphold. i say, arrest the hell out of every one of those oathbreaking criminals in the BLM, prosecute them for Felony Perjury(oathbreaking), and compel them to restore all the land they’ve stolen from EVERYone. The Constitution does NOT ALLOW Federal ownership of ANY lands whatsoever unless acquired via the process clearly outlined there, which involves VOLUNTARY cessation of the lands in question, and only AFTER just compensation for the taking…ergo, the actions taken by an Unconstitutional Bureau are void from their inception, every employee of an Unconstitutional org should be fired immediately, and ALL lands currently “managed’ by these assholes returned to State control today or asap.
Of course, that’s not likely to happen; Constitutional illiteracy as been promoted as part of the dumbing-down process for many decades, and that program has borne the fruit of ignorance, i.e. “know rights or no rights.”
Look, in simple terms, here it is: The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. It says so, right there in Article 6. This means that NO law, no EO, and no SCOTUS ruling can trump it, ever – otherwise, any of those three would be Supreme, wouldn’t they? The trouble is, to me anyhow, is that no one has EVER been held to account for how they’ve lived up to their oaths of office. Why is that? I mean, after all, don’t judges have the right to not only get mad, but prosecute those who lie under oath in court? Why are public SERVANTS and public EMPLOYEES held to a similar standard?
In America, We the People are Sovereign(or we once were; google “sovereigns without subjects” for more info), that is to say, government is to be servant to US, not us to IT. Yet that’s not what happened. Things will never change unless and until we arrest, try, and convict oathbreakers in gov’t positions of trust as often as are perjurers, and for the exact same reason: lying under oath. i daresay that if as few as 100 from each branch of the Federal government were so tried and convicted, we’d see a major sea change in how gov’t is operated, especially if those so convicted are jailed(for not more than ten years, would be my suggestion), fined an amount equivalent to the TOTAL wages and benefits said individuals received(from the date of their FIRST betrayal of their sworn duty), and third, were FOREVER BANNED from any position of public trust with ANY government in America for the rest of their lives.
What do you think? Would that work?
Both IME and FMO, bullies continue to bully until they’re stood up to, and peaceful prosecution of these criminal oathbreakers is infinitely preferable to an armed confrontation.
Besides, think about it: who would benefit from an armed conflict the most? Gov’t agents or the People? The gov’t would simply claim “Insurrection” and put it down; certain eschelons of oathbreakers have been DYING for an excuse to but down a rebellion, even one they start as a false flag, so that the iron fist can come out of the velvet glove, and naked tyranny be employed to completely eliminate even the DREAM of self-government.
But remember this:
“Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; those who mean to be their OWN governors will arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.” James Madison, whom history calls the Father of the Constitution.
Also remember that America was to be the world’s greatest experiment in SELF-governance, bottom up instead of top-down. Give in to tyranny from gov’t employees, and all hope of self-government, free from interference by alleged “leaders,” will be forever gone.
Personally, i think Jefferson had it right when he wrote that the proper function of government is to restrain people from injuring one another, and once they go past that point, they become tyrannous. Of course, he also hoped that the vast majority of Americans would never see a tax-gatherer, too…
Mindy Zumba sounds like a broken record. Stuck in one place and can not move forward.
This is what happens when people don’t know the Revolutionary War was won by the Law Of The Sea, The BAR for the United States of America Incorporated instead of the Law Of The Land of Common Laws, Natural Laws and God’s Laws for the Continental United States.
Stop sending your children to Government Run Public Schools, is a good start.
get over it folks if they were black or muslim nothing would happen to them , obummer would trot down there and build em a mosk or up their food stamp allotment, YO BLACK BRO got news for you Ranchers lives matter too, get it people if obummer can start something here and call martial law BINGO he stays in as president period. he wants this . we should start by impeaching the worthless bastard, wonder what would have happened if WACO or RUBY RIDGE had been black, yeh think about that what if a bunch of innocent black children had been in waco, then what??????????? HEY GOVERNMENT ” STAND DOWN ‘ MO FO. STAND DOWN IT IS OUR COUNTRY.
If you Stupid Idiots in Washington want to see a Riot, take away Welfare, Food Stamps, Obama Phones, Illegal Alien Aid, Foreign Country Aid and Medicaid from all these Leeches. You will have a war on your hands. And you will not see the Votes.
The people who live and own that property, not the renegade militia or the Bundy’s! I hope the feds move and remove them the hardway! They don’t own the property. The various govt’s own part of the land and the residents own the rest!!!! Where does the militia own any property? They don’t! Tell them one time and after that then the hard way will be used!!!! Remember Oklahoma City bombing, Timothy McVeigh? Him and his buddy were with the Michigan militia!
This is going to get ugly. The feds really don’t care if there’s a repeat of Waco. They figure once the militia members are dead, they don’t have to worry about being accused, or sued.. What the feds DON’T realize, is, that, if/when a massacre occurs, there are a lot more of those militia men out there, who will stand up in the place of those killed. One reason Obama wants to disarm people, is so, we can’t fight back, if attacked by feds. And, the feds already know that Ammon Bundy isn’t going to back down. They learned that from his dad, & the rest of the Bundy clan when they tried to force them off of federal controlled grazing lands.
It is a states rights issue. The Govenor of Oregon has the right to make the call for Oregon and not Idaho nor another state.
Can’t wait to see the home movies as you land thieving Redneck Ranchers, try to fight the Federal Dillon tactical vehicle or better!
Those men are trespassing! They are illegally carrying firearms on government property! They have threatened Federal Officers! I need a new keychain and they might shoot me if I try to buy one in that gift shop!
Just another official ie Kate Brown who is in the pockets of the govt. Why is it people only follow the constitution when it’s convenient for them???
“We the people” are supposed to be in charge of our elected government. At which point this ceases our elected government will become the dictator of our rights. As a son of the original revolution where I had ancestors participate, I will not shame their memory by backing down or cowering. If it comes to a fight I will not back down. I will fight to the finish, I will never surrender!
Well, Tim, IMO it’s because no one has ever held any officeholder to account for his sworn oath of office.
Arrest, try and convict a hundred or more from each branch of the federal gov’t, and you’ll soon see a sea-change in how public employees and public servants do their work, for bullies generally won’t quit their bullying unless and until they’re stood up to.
Personally, i think the absolute best way to stand up to these bullies is to compel them to “preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic” by charging them with felony perjury(oathbreaking) for NOT doing so, then getting them the hell out of any position of public trust on the public dime again for the rest of their lives.
If there are no consequences for bad acts, not only do the bad acts continue, they get worse. History teaches well.
Ask yourself two questions: 1) Would your reaction be different if the occupiers were Indians, negroes, or hippies? 2) Would the government’s reaction be different?
The matter should be settled peaceably in the courts. If the law is wrong then change the law.
Seems the penalty for the Hammonds was unduly harsh. This does not excuse law-breaking by the occupiers of the wildlife refuge.
Where was the federal government in New York over the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement?