While federal and state authorities work today to gather evidence surrounding one of the worst mass shootings in recent history, a clearer picture is emerging of the Muslim husband and wife who orchestrated the violence.
And it’s becoming increasingly clear that the shootings were an Islamic extremist terror attack that may have been in the works for months. At least one of the shooters, Syed Rizwan Farook, was in touch with “more than one” international terror suspects and was actively being monitored by the FBI. Local law enforcement confirmed he had been radicalized, CNN is reporting.
Farook and wife Tashfeen Malik, 27, were killed in a shootout with police hours after they stormed the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, CA, yesterday, killing 14 and wounding 17.
Farook worked for the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health, which was renting space at the center for a celebration. An argument reportedly erupted, and Farook returned about 20 minutes later with Malik and started shooting.
But the advanced weaponry that the two brought to the center strongly suggests that they’d been stocking up to conduct a massacre, possibly for a long period of time.
Both Farook and Malik reportedly returned to the Inland Regional Center with assault rifles, extra magazines, body armor, assault-style clothing, and homemade bombs. It was the type of arsenal that would be impossible for anyone to assemble on the fly in just minutes.
The couple left behind three rigged-together pipe bombs with a remote-control device that apparently malfunctioned, and had over 1,600 more bullets with them when they were gunned down in their SUV, authorities said Thursday.
At their home, they had 12 pipe bombs, tools for making more explosives, and over 3,000 rounds of ammunition, San Bernardino Police Chief Jarrod Burguan said in a grim morning-after inventory that suggested Wednesday’s bloodbath could have been far worse.
“They came prepared to do what they did, as if they were on a mission,” said Burguan said.
Burguan said Farook was born in the United States, but he’d recently traveled to Saudi Arabia where coworkers said he possibly met and married Malik. After his return to the United States, Farook began growing out his beard and was apparently radicalized at some point.
Farook’s father told The Daily News, before knowing his son’s name had become public, that Farook was, “very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim.”
About four hours after the morning carnage, police hunting for the killers riddled a black SUV with gunfire in a shootout two miles from the Inland Regional Center, killing Farook and Malik.
The Associated Press contributed to this article
Let’s all take a moment and remember that one of the major goals of ISIS is to create hatred between Muslims and the West. ISIS wants us to hate Muslims, because when people feel hated they try to find comfort in anything they can. Hating and harassing Muslims (of which there are 10 million in America) will only increase the number of new recruits for ISIS.
I repeat: If you harass Muslims in general, you are helping ISIS.
These tragedies are awful. But they are not due to a religion. They are due to specific people who choose extremism and violence rather than peace. A tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of Muslims support ISIS. The vast majority of Muslims find ISIS absolutely despicable.
While I understand everyone’s fear towards those they don’t understand, please remember to keep yourselves in check. We don’t need people taking to the streets and lynching peaceful Muslim Americans or anyone who you might think “looks” Muslim.
Right, Moe-hammed
What concerns me and many others is what the qur’an states Convert to islam or get destroyed. If someone becomes consumed with that book then this will happen more and more and I lived in the middle east, 3 locations and in two of those locations the hate that is a massing is very scary. As that hate spreads, then it will go to other locations as it did in California. You are partly correct but the hate is generating from the islam side.
Sometimes we Americans forget the influence we have had on the Middle East by our continually interfering in the internal affairs of other nations. Can we recognize our contribution to this global aggression?
African, I say go back to Africa. America has helped other country’s overcome evil many times over, the reason we have this problem right this second is because America has an illegal Kenyan born muslim who is isis, in charge of America. My question to you is it ok with you for a forty year old muslim to marry your eight year old daughter, niece, granddaughter, ect, ect. I would say at best, your very soft on your brain. Try reading.
Don’t blame the U.S. or anyone else. Islam has been on the march to conquest and subjugation of the World for more than 1,300 years. The only time it has been contained, and I use the term conditionally, it’s when other Muslims, the Ottoman Turks, also bent on spreading Islamic rule, ruled over the Middle East.
Bull Shit to that
African is right. As long as we mingle there, we can’t pretend to any moral high ground. We should withdraw and let them deal with their problems themselves. Don’t forget that the West started looming there because of oil. We don’t even know what to do with our own oil now. Anything other pretense, nation building, fighting evil, oozes socialism to me. It’s akin to gun control in the America. Once, we are out of there, if they still bullshit, then it should be opened season, on all Muslims. Because you can’t make a difference between a bearded man with a long skirt and a bearded man with a long skirt hiding a M-16.
No doubt we are medling in other people’s business and causing more harm than good. By splashing water on their grease fire, we just spread it all over the world. We attacked iraq, afganistan, libya, syria and egypt without provocation. 911 should have sent us to Saudi Arabia where the hijackers, funding, and bin laudins originated. After we trashed those countries and displaced the citizens (including some as terrorists), what do you expect? Now we are openly funding turkey and isis but calling them moderate rebels to overthrow a sovereign syrian government that never attacked us. We supported bin laudin vs Russians, irans shaw, then sadam hussain vs the iatolla in iran. When we hid behind trees and practiced gorilla warfare against a far superior British red coats, they called us cowards for not lining up like gentlemen. We are now the juggernaut empire attacking an inferior force in their homelands. What do we expect. What would you do if china was dropping tanks and bombs to help some canadians toss out our elected president?
AMEN…. Islam Is dangerous and will not co-exist with other religions… They want world domination !
Right Phil. I’ve never believed much in prophecy. However, a friend gave me a book to read, and it really started me to thinking. It was written in 2007, before the slime took over the w/h. It is right on – and I may eventually rethink my ideas about the validity of Prophesy.
It’s called: “The United States, Israel & Islam.” Written by Jimmy Swaggart. It can be ordered from – http://www.shopjsm.org – I think he only gave about $10.00 for it. I’m flabber-ghasted at how right-on he was & IS – before much of this violence came into light. Muslimes are not our friends. It explains the Anti-Christ, Armageddon, The Civil War in Iraq & American terrorism being based on lies. Will America even be around for Armageddon? It’s only 74 pages.
Phil is right. . . irrefutable based upon history dating back to sibling rivalry between two brothers. Radical Islam only becomes “peaceful” when they are defeated by an enemy that they respect like King Richard, when Richard and Saladin fought to a “draw” in the holy land in the 3rd crusade. The west needs a champion to take on these “wild asses” of Islam
Can any of you tell me a conflict happening now or having happened in the last twenty-five years that has not been muslim-instigated?
Does anyone believe that if we (America) stepped back, took a non-responsive tact and tried to be nice to these murderers that they would suck it up, go home, be loving and peaceful and reject jihad? Do you believe, as Afrikans says, that we brought their terrorism and hideous murdering on ourselves and that our stupid interference is the only stigma, the only catalyst??
Can we all agree that we had no right, no business, no national-threat-need to overthrow the stable Saddam Hussein government in Iraq, the government in Egypt, the government in Libya, and now the otherwise would-be stable government in Syria?
At the same time, do you really believe that, if those involvements had not occurred, Islam would be living peacefully and peaceably with no urge to spread its ideology through jihad and terror?
Islam and muslims are bound by their allegiance to the Qur’an to kill infidels. Raincroft77 is absolutely correct.
I say, pay attention to what Raincroft77 is telling you!!
There are at least 109 verses in the Qur’an that commands ALL Muslims to kill ALL infidels. If they do not follow the Qur’an – they are not a Muslim. There is no such thing as a peaceful Muslim. Islam means conquer. The PC’s are all trying to force their Invasion on us. What about Dearborn, and the second town, in Michigan? They invaded, and now have taken over, and evicted the American Citizens and even a lady from the City Counsel. This is NOT peaceful. It is Islam.
Islam has been around for 1400 years. Hasn’t done much conquering in the last 1200 or so.
No, Islam means submission, to the will of Allah (aka, God). Islam will conquer the world when Allah wills it And it doesn’t look like world conquest has risen to the top of His priority list.
These individuals who killed people are not different from radical Christians Conservatives or Republicans. I therefore personally do not see the difference between radical Muslims and radical Christians or radical Republicans or radical conservatives. Their missions are the same i.e. to destroy those who do not believe what they believe in or people of different in color. Republicans are another type of radical Jihads only they happen to be Christians. They call Blacks all kinds of names. I hope the FBI and CIA will be watching what radical Republicans and TPs are doing behind doors.
Can you give an example of a radical christian, republican, conservative? and the incident of their radical behavior ? not your opinion but the examples? Thank you.
You, Masengil, are an idiot!
How many conservative Republicans have stormed a building and killed innocent people in the U.S. or Europe. You are just a typical Islamic fool trying to rationalize your warped religious ideas.
Um…Masanja Balele, when is the last time you have seen a Christian take out an AK-47 and mow down a roomful of innocent people?! A true Christian resorts only to violence to fend off the attacks of the ungodly–and 70,000,000 Christian martyrs give testimony to the desire of Christians for peace even in the midst of persecution. In many cases, they allowed themselves to be martyred when all they would have done is deny Christ. The Lord Jesus specifically rebuked the Apostle Peter for slicing off the ear of the High Priest’s servant at Jesus’ arrest (Jesus also healed the man of the wound). Jesus is the Prince of Peace.
On the other hand, Mohammed was a man of war from the beginning of his reign of terror. Islam, and the Quran, preaches violence against all non-Muslims. As Islam becomes more and more radicalized by a return to the Quran, the reign of Islamic terror will escalate.
Masanja you are a complete and total IDIOT !!! SJ Jolly and African 1939 you are right there with him. The United States is the most charitable Nation on Earth. We do more good around the World than any other Nation. If all of you hate this Great Nation then please leave !!! I spent 30 years in this Nations Armed Forces protecting it and Morons like you. I already know without any doubt that none of you have done anything for this Nation. You have never sacrificed a thing yet you sit on your ass and criticize all while enjoying the freedoms that you yourself were not willing to help secure for yourself but completely willing to allow another to do for you.
Stop drinking the Koolaid and study for yourself. Do Not think that because you heard someone say it that it is accurate. Find out for yourself and then you will know that Muslims have NO desire to coexist with what they feel to be individuals that are less than human in their eyes. They desire to rid the World of any that do not think and believe as they do. This has been going on for over a Thousand years longer than the USA has even existed.
Judging from comments posted in this forum and others, plenty of hate is generated from the Christian side, too. Would be nice if we could get the haters on both sides to meet somewhere out of the way, fight it out to the last man standing, and leave the rest of us, Muslims and Christians, out of it.
SJ Jolly, you obviously have never had true relationship with God because his name was never Allah. That name was just one a number that were being worshiped in Medina when Mohammed was forced out of Mecca. However Yahweh the true creator of this universe who initiated the Big Bang of Creation Is GOD the Father along with Yeshua ha Mashiach (The Word) and Ruach ha Kodesh (The Holy Spirit). Mohammed is a false prophet just as many others, in his writings he makes false predictions (such as the Jews now having their own homeland which he said would never happen!). Anyway, it is people like Masanja Balele that scare me the most because you would lump all fundamentalists as being dangerous. It is true that the Roman Constantine (an anti-Semitic) made a state religion out of the believers in Yeshua causing great corruption over the centuries that resulted in those representing themselves as Christians being unloving, unrepentant, and having no real relationship with Yeshua. A true believer and DISCIPLE of Yesua would never be someone to fear.
I’m wondering if those guns were legally registered… NONE… and look what two TERRORISTS just did.. So the handful of Terrorists here in this country is way to many … If they killed one of your family members.. I wonder how much of a bleeding heart you’d have…
Guns must be from O’s Fast and Furious…
why is our president so afraid of these fools he acts like they are the greatest thing since the Nazis no matter what they do to American citizens he still think he has to protect them it is crazy because while these monsters are attacking the citizens of this country he is trying to take away their only mode of self defense by trying to restrict the meaning of the 2nd amendment allowing the average American to be left as sitting ducks waiting to be slaughtered this is why he should leave this law alone people of this country should have the right to defent themselves with any mode of defense they have judge Janine pirro made a comment that if there is any American that should be a target it is Obama himself especially when he is against gun control I believe that if someone were to face him with a gun drawn he would be happy to see anyone with a gun to protect him. but he is such a wimp that he will not try to deport these monsters and allow americans to live in a peaceful environment without fear of walking down the street without feeling fear
The Police Chief of S.B. just said the rifles were registered.
I thought that AR type rifles had to have permanently attached magazines in order to be legal in Ca. The rifles used had detachable magazines.
The FBI spokesman said it was “premature and irresponsible” to say this was a terrorist act. Whether the guns were registered I haven’t heard but they all were legally purchased and the police are tracking the purchase information of all four guns. It’s just too easy to purchase weapons that should be in the hands of the military alone.No one needs weapons that can pierce police protective vests or smash through walls as could those weapons. The problem is that sensible gun control laws are routinely opposed by the NRA and those in Congress who benefit from their donations. Hardly anyone is looking to take guns away from hunters but military style weapons like those shown to have been used in this attack should be banned. Also, whoever provided these guns to the attackers should be prosecuted. Every time I read about a shooting, I read that the guns were “stolen” from “law-abiding” citizens. Let those “law-abiding” citizens take care of their guns or else pay the penalty.
@Louis
“It’s just too easy to purchase weapons that should be in the hands of the military alone.No one needs weapons that can pierce police protective vests or smash through walls as could those weapons.”
All centerfire rifles can “pierce police protective vests” and “smash through walls”. In fact AR-15s typically use 5.56 mm rounds that are quite a bit less powerful than the venerable 30-06.
“Hardly anyone is looking to take guns away from hunters but military style weapons like those shown to have been used in this attack should be banned.”
AR style weapons are extremely popular among hunters. Sorry, but no ban will happen. Even if it did, existing weapons would be grandfathered in and millions have already been sold. I expect the latest rhetoric from the best gun salesman in history, 0bama, will result in many more sales.
“Also, whoever provided these guns to the attackers should be prosecuted.”
They were legally purchased.
In short, you’re clueless through and through. Fortunately, your opinion means exactly nothing. 🙂
I take care of my gun! Someone breaks into my home and steels it, then they should pay the consequences. Don’t make such stupid comments. To defend myself I should say “Oh please leave my house peacefully”. Are you serious? Get a life!
Object..- You need to learn to differentiate between Firearms and Ammo to start. The Firearm doesn’t penetrate anything the round does. You Gungrabbers just slay me with your ignorance.
This is exactly the knee-jerk reaction to pleas for peace and tolerance Moe Verner warned about. When will Americans grow up and stop perpetuating the “Ugly American” image that has been deservedly earned by this governments aggression world-wide?
This is the preaching of Obama and is smells. Read their material and make a sound call. You are misdirected if you believe the American people will stand by and let this happen on our ground. Not all Muslims believe they should be killing us but their works call for them to kill just so they can get to their heaven. They have no fear.
Thank you Obama for downplaying the radical islamist threat in the country. Because of you more innocent people have been slaughtered. All you care about is making$$ with the other 150 climate change scam artists. The Dems insult the family members and the public who wanted to pray for the victims and survivors of this radical islamist attack. The Dems still want to take our guns away and leave us defenseless. This carnage could have been avoided but we are so politically correct that although the neighbor saw packages being delivered at all hours and strange activity in the garage at all hours she did not report it because she did not want people to think she was racially profiling mideastern people. This is what the left has created. I hope they are happy because they are equally responsible. Trump was right AGAIN. We must face the fact that we are being invaded by radical islamist terrorists and some Muslim american citizens are part of this as well. We need our leader to grow a set and vet these radical scum.
Must be a Muslime.
When people of other cultures and countries come here and disrespect our land! The first question I would ask anyone entering the US is, what is your intention and what are you going to do for this country! As President Kennedy once stated. “Ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for this country?”
Did your father fight during World War II? That’s why we are NOT speaking German at this point. My father was at Pearl Harbor the day it was attacked. I do not agree that the US should start any fights/wars, but do think we need to finsih them once they are perpetrated on us. That’s not being an “Ugly American”, that’s called “Home of the Brave” and “Land of the Free”. It does not mean Freeloader, come to this country and expect to work, pay taxes and social security. Assimilate like our ancestors did or don’t bother being here.
Wendy, If the reports are right one of the shooters was born here and was a US citizen. He worked for the state. And he wasn’t a Syrian. There are many Muslims here who were born in the USA and who are loyal citizens. There are also many immigrants who came in search of a better life who contribute to their communities and who happen to be Muslim. Now is the time to give serious thought to how we can protect our communities without giving in to the bigots who would target all immigrants or all Muslims.
Louis he was Muslim and he became a radical Islamist it doesn’t matter where he was born or who he worked for at that point. His wife I believe the reports say was originally from Qatar. You need to get on board or take your chances if this gets ugly.
I have to disagree. America may be somewhat complicit in trying to be the World’s Peace Officer But America didn’t and never has contributed to terrorism. If you believe America is so bad, why are so many Africans relocating here? The US Healthcare industry is full of Africans. How’s Boko Haram working out for you?
A PROUD Ugly American.
You can sing your song any way you want be it comes down to this
They were coming for us one way or another. no matter what we did or didn’t do.
it is impossible to vet these people. Look at you tube and see the desperate Europeans voicing thier concern how EU is going to hell because of immigrant take over. The press over there will not publish anything anti immigrant and it is the end of EU soon, so sad!!! Sweden rape culture of these immigrants is appalling, they go after the Swedish girls to rape them, they are whores since they are not covered up Muslim women.
Moe-hammed! I love it! Good one! (:-)
I am sorry. When I see the so called good Muslims carry out their duty as Citizens and reporting the Bad ones, then I will buy Moe’s line of guff! But until then, recent history shows us that when push comes to shove, Muslims stick together, like birds of a feather! Trust and respect are earned, not just given! I guarantee you there were plenty of other “Good” Muslims who knew what these two monsters were up to, and remained silent about it. That makes them accessories after the fact, and just as guilty, if not more so! Muslims are a Political movement, just like the Nazi’s, hiding behind Religion, and the left has fallen for it “Hook, Line & Sinker!”
Yuup. And only 7% of Germans were Nazis so that should pretty much nullify any claim that a small percentage of muslims following the teachings of their so called religion is not a threat.
According to obama the muslim! the religion of peace!! Please…!!!
Nazi’s behind a movement?
Thank you Obama for downplaying the radical islamist threat in the country. Because of you more innocent people have been slaughtered. All you care about is making$$ with the other 150 climate change scam artists. The Dems insult the family members and the public who wanted to pray for the victims and survivors of this radical islamist attack. The Dems still want to take our guns away and leave us defenseless. This carnage could have been avoided but we are so politically correct that although the neighbor saw packages being delivered at all hours and strange activity in the garage at all hours she did not report it because she did not want people to think she was racially profiling mideastern people. This is what the left has created. I hope they are happy because they are equally responsible. Trump was right AGAIN. We must face the fact that we are being invaded by radical islamist terrorists and some Muslim american citizens are part of this as well. We need our leader to grow a set and vet these radical scum.
SOME OF YOUR PRESIDENTS FRIENDS!!!!
I agree with you wholeheartedly Moe….
Thankyou Obama, what we need is more refugees!
yep..and we owe all of this to a person that fooled most of the Americans into believing a Black person has to be our president!!! He is and has ruined our country with all of his CRAP and Lies.
And no impeachment yet..what a bunch of fools we have grown and turned into….
Load up and carry a BUG stick!!
The problem is you can’t tell them apart,
“The trouble is you can’t tell them apart?” Do you mean they all look alike? What if they are white, with blue eyes and blond hair? You are aware that Islam is an international religion, just as Christianity a multi-national religion?
You can tell them apart because they all are muslims! and maybe the good ones hide behind their silence, but when it comes to a show down, they are not around. they have their little council saying how sorry they are and then go back to the mosque and probably praise the violence!
I meant can’t tell them apart.
You want to go with this lame argument that only a small percentage of muslims are “extremists” ?
Only 7% of Germans were Nazis in the early and mid 1900’s.
How did that work out ?
THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED AND ARE ALL WORTHLESS PIECES OF GOAT SHIT !!!
Poor Jake! Three observations:
1. You can’t throw mud without getting dirty.
2. Someone who lives in a glass house should not throw stones.
3. When you are looking at those you call “worthless pieces…” are you sure it’s not a mirror you are looking at.
4. Bigotry and hatred is a cancer that destroys the soul and mocks the Christian God.
4.
I agree. They seem to hurt all Muslim people, Who is in a better position, to police this, than the peaceful Muslim Nations.
what about the citizens of the nations they have destroyed uniting to destroy them? this would be the best idea ever but of course we have an idiot who knows nothing nor has he made any effort to suggest this to other countries just like the old song united we stand and devided we fall if this were to happen they would not be able to win and would be sent to hell which is exactly where they belong
What we ‘do need’ is for the first black Muslim president to close our borders. And not feel justified in blaming guns when it is ‘devout Muslims’ and ‘psychos’ killing. You do not punish an entire country for their actions. And still all he cares about is releasing thousands more Syrian/refugee/terrorists into this country while trying to leave us all defenseless. They don’t understand our laws and do not want to blend in; they want mosques. They should not be in the USA and we should not have an American president with Muslim values who puts terrorists above the people in this country.
The most dangerous terrorist resides in the whitehouse!
YOUR RIGHT ON 100 %
Right on sister!
Very true.
I wholeheartedly agree with you on this. I have been saying this for a long time. We the people MUST fight for OUR gun rights TO PROTECT OURSELVES AND FAMILY. Obama has no problem letting more terrorists in without batting an eye as to how many are terrorists blending in. Also how do you ever trust any Muslims when they are taught to hate us and deceive us by being our friend and then killing the us infidels? Also, if they want us to be their friends why do they NOT RISE UP AGAINST THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS? INSTEAD THEY WILL PROTECT THEM. IN OUR COUNTRY THE MUSLIM PEOPLE ARE VERY UNFRIENDLY. WHEN THEY LOOK AT YOU THEY HAVE HATE IN THEIR EYES. I TRY TO SMILE AND SAY HI AND THEY IGNORE YOU. I will fight for MY COUNTRY, THE GOOD OLE USA.
Thank you Obama for downplaying the radical islamist threat in the country. Because of you more innocent people have been slaughtered. All you care about is making$$ with the other 150 climate change scam artists. The Dems insult the family members and the public who wanted to pray for the victims and survivors of this radical islamist attack. The Dems still want to take our guns away and leave us defenseless. This carnage could have been avoided but we are so politically correct that although the neighbor saw packages being delivered at all hours and strange activity in the garage at all hours she did not report it because she did not want people to think she was racially profiling mideastern people. This is what the left has created. I hope they are happy because they are equally responsible. Trump was right AGAIN. We must face the fact that we are being invaded by radical islamist terrorists and some Muslim american citizens are part of this as well. We need our leader to grow a set and vet these radical scum.
What do you expect from a muslim president?
why is this a surprise especially when we have a president who is 1 of them and invites them here like royalty why should they leave when our leader knows who they are and what they wantit happened this week and we can be assured it will happen again and our wimpy leader will be sure it happens again this is the worst thing that can happen but he still continues to support this violence in fact he welcomes it because it makes hime appear as the greatest host in the world. it may look good but only for them because it makes our country look like the biggest fools in the world and he could not give a damn especially as long as he gets what he wants.we must face it and admit that Israel has the best president in the world he does have the balls to tell the other assholes to leave his people alone we should be so lucky but unfortunately we elected a first class arrogant jerk who does not care if the citizens of this country survive or starve to death
very true
Sounds like many of y’all are projecting an awful
lot of hate yourselves. Your hatred is the result of listening daily to
conmen and women such as Rush and Ann and the folks on Fox who spew hatred
of the other every day. There are others in Congress and running for President
who are doing the same. And Obama as the cause? What a bunch of garbage!
i suppose you haters all consider yourselves to be good Christians. You have
forgotten or never knew what Christianity is all about.
Gene, you need to read the Quran before you judge those who are critical of Islam. I have read enough of it to know that duplicity in support of Islam is the scriptural orthodoxy, and that the killing of non-muslims is commanded. The REAL radical muslims are the ones that don’t believe these commands.
Christianity is NOT about lying down and saying, “Kick me again!”
There is no such thing as a moderate muslim country on this planet. The U.S. is not a muslim country as the muslim communist Obama has stated in public, nor were muslims ever part of the founding of our country as he has stated were. Any one who has lived in a muslim country knows that Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization. We must do as Japan does and prohibit residency and citizenship of muslims in the U.S. But don’t we stand for religious freedom? Yes, but Islam is not a religion any more than communism is. It is a closed, absolutist system for total behavioral control and female oppression. We run amok with the logic of the right to religious freedom when our judicial system is trapped and must violate our way of life to protect the religious rights of muslims who must kneel to the east and pray five times a day on public streets and sidewalks, or refuse to strip down for PE in highschool since it is against their religion for girls to expose the neck, arms, or legs above the feet. Non muslims, of course, automatically fail PE and can’t graduate. Judges should understand that logic is a closed system and not always a sure path to truth, but too often a refuge for ignorance We are putting a fox in our hen house, as the saying goes.
Ditto
I agree 100%
Did you read the commentary of the daily news? Damn those GOPers for offereing their PRAYERS!!
wHILE Hillary right off bat is yelling take the guns! OH YES. Take the guns & prayers out! Sick?
Oh YES very much so!! But meanwhile back at the ranch bama preaching Open borders & ????? I don’t know what he’s talking about to be honest with you, that’s how much sense he makes. He doesn’t!!
Thank you Obama for downplaying the radical islamist threat in the country. Because of you more innocent people have been slaughtered. All you care about is making$$ with the other 150 climate change scam artists. The Dems insult the family members and the public who wanted to pray for the victims and survivors of this radical islamist attack. The Dems still want to take our guns away and leave us defenseless. This carnage could have been avoided but we are so politically correct that although the neighbor saw packages being delivered at all hours and strange activity in the garage at all hours she did not report it because she did not want people to think she was racially profiling mideastern people. This is what the left has created. I hope they are happy because they are equally responsible. Trump was right AGAIN. We must face the fact that we are being invaded by radical islamist terrorists and some Muslim american citizens are part of this as well. We need our leader to grow a set and vet these radical scum.
Absolutely correct. He is disassembling everything the country was founded on and has built for freedom & justice. (the second word there has become the battle cry for the *takers* in this country)
to all you guys and gals that are saying all this makes me remember when ‘he’ was running for pres and he told us all what he was going to do – oh, yeah …now we are blaming him ? for our situation ….? not only that but it’s going to get a lot worse – too bad I loved this USA…………..let’s all say a prayer
Obama lies.
“I promise that I support traditional marriage-1 man-1 woman.
“I promise 100% transparency in my administration.”.
“I promise NO NEW TAXES on a family making less than $250K a year.”.
“I will allow 5 days of public comment before I sign any bills.”.
“I will remove earmarks from PORK projects before I sign any bill.”.
“I will end Income Tax for seniors making less than $50K a year.”.
“I’ll put the Health Care negotiations on CSPAN so everyone can see who is at the table!”.
“I promise you can keep your doctors”.
“I’ll have no lobbyists in my administration.”
“I’ll resign if I don’t cut the deficit in half by the end of four years.”
“I’ll unite the people of this great country.”
I NEVER voted for him!
Can we ask him then to resign?
Pam, you are 100% correct. And all Muslims in this country should be tracked. All mosque should be monitored.
AMEN…… Obama needs to resign from office since he does nothing to protect American Citizens, Christians, or Infidels. He cannot even bring himself to say the enemies name, Islamic Terrorists, ISIS.which he now refers to ISIL which ignores its deadly intent!! How many have to die before anything is done to get him out of office ? God Bless and Help the Americans he is responsible for !!
ISIS stands for Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, where as ISIL refers to Islamic State in Iraq and the L stands for the area surrounding Israel. Obama can not stand Israel !
Earlier today Putin made a speech about ISIL. It sounds like Russia is getting on track. Obama hasn’t done a damn thing except let the situation in Syria deteriorate. His solution, to bring them all over here. Obama also has done nothing to help with the problem between blacks and police. Isn’t it ironic that Barack Obama, our president, is a black muslim? That would place him in a very unique position to work to be a part of a solution. But here is a man who refuses to see a connection to islamic extremism and shootings (ak47’s at a Chrsitmas party?) Nidal Hassan’s workplace violence yelling allah akbar? An Oregon jihadist man who asked people’s religion before killing them? Here is a man who has sat and watched his buddy Rahm Emanuel lead Chicago into a mess, racial tensions at an all time high and all Obama can say is that “these type of things don’t happen in other countries” well Godammit man you are the president of this country, why don’t you try leading your people instead of apologizing for us and whining about how guns cause all these problems
Why is it so difficult for Americans to recognize this nation’s contribution to world terrorism? In the opinion of many, this nation is the worse terrorist on earth. We have altered our foreign policy to allow unprovoked attacks on other nations, simply because we “suspect” they are going to do us harm. See Iraq and Lybia, both nations now in ruins thanks to this countries intervention. America is creating “terrorists” by the thousands every day by these poorly thought through policy decisions. But who wants to be bothered with the “other side of the story”?
“America is creating “terrorists” by the thousands every day by these poorly thought through policy decisions” – what?! No, not America. Don’t blame an entire country for the poor decisions of the current Executive Branch and it’s over-reaching executive orders! The American people don’t make policy decisions – our screwed up politicians do! Take a look at all the generosity and kindness shown to other nations during times of extreme distress, generosity that came from the private sector for the most part, not the stupid, self-serving government.
Almost all of the recent policies that have caused an escalation of anger and warfare in those countries have been made DESPITE the objections of the American people. We didn’t vote for those things, our “Emperor” simply decided it was what he wanted to do, and found a way to get it done regardless of what the citizens for whom he’s supposed to work for might think.
I’m done with those who are blaming the citizens of the United States, who are good, hard-working, generous people for the most part, for the awful policies coming out of Washington. And yes, that includes a lot of the illogical decisions made by the Bush administration, too, so don’t even try to divert the topic by bringing him up! The only part we’ve actually played in these wrong-headed decisions was voting for this lunatic not once, but twice. And believe me, not everyone voted for him – even if he’d won 56% of the vote (not sure if that was the percentage – just using it as an example), that would still leave 44% who didn’t.
So stop. Blaming. America. Lots of people have offered the idea of all the world leaders getting together and duking it out among themselves and leaving the rest of us alone to live in peace and freedom. As for the religion issue, I have yet to see any real evidence that Islam is a religion of peace. For their own people, maybe, but heaven help anyone who isn’t one of them. I could be wrong, and if so, I stand corrected by anyone who can show me with irrefutable proof that I am. In the meantime, we should try and keep things in better perspective – it’s not America that’s screwing things up, it’s our politicians who, during the past couple of decades, have decided that they only represent themselves and not us. ‘Nuff said.
Very well stated, Thank you!
I agree with every word you said! All Muslims should stay in the Middle East. If they don’t like our country then why come here except to destroy it.
Send them back!!
If guns killed people then I guess the fork made Rosie O’Donnell FAT. The first thing the Dems go to is “guns are the problem”!!! More politically motivated BS. So, the alcohol causes drunk driving and the donut causes obesity!!! We need to stop the production of forks, alcohol and donuts!!! And I assume when pipe bombs are used to kill
People we need to halt the sale of pipes?
Good one!
Yes, what about bombs, explosive devices, knives, etc…
obama is the enemy within. He is the Trojan horse!!
You are right in what you say.
The so called GOOD Muslim needs to put a stop to this type of things. They are the persons close to these types of killers and need to recognize it and stop it before it happens. They need to prove to the American people that there really is a good Muslin. If they believe in the Quran they can’t be a good U.S. citizen. They don’t believe in our values and will not support our country.
They hide behind their silence!!
A tiny fraction of 1.5 billion is still millions of these folks. And we want to bring more here to support?
You are so wrong. If you are a true Muslim and follow your faith (if you choose to call it that) you would know that the Koran calls for the killing of all infidels (non-muslims). So those who follow their faith “religiously” would follow the commandments of the Koran. It is really not a religion but a way of life that has existed for thousands of years with the same mentality. So this man and woman were following the Koran and left their six month old child without parents just to appease Allah.
Why did the horn did NOT show my comments. Now you tell me that it was system err. BS.
Exactly, and too, just like this Farook guy they can be peaceful one minute and become radicalized the next…..and then be the perpetrators of terror..
So when those people say don’t blame or be suspicious of all Muslims….hogwash……they ALL have the potential of becoming radicalized. And probably even worse, they do not feel compelled to report any of their own that may be talking of or planning some kind of terror attack. That being said, I do feel they are ALL to blame!!
You are completely correct!!!!
You are completely correct!!!!
Agree
FOR WHATEVER REASON, IT’S APPARENT THAT ISLAM HAS GIVEN “BIRTH” TO THE IDEAS OF TERRORISM.
I THINK YOU’RE WRONG ABOUT YOUR STATICS AND HAVE IT BACKWARDS, ONLY A “SMALL” AMOUNT OF MUSLIMS ARE PEACEFUL………A LARGE AMOUNT ARE INTERPRETING THE RELIGION AND ITS TEACHINGS WITH ACHIEVING DESTRUCTION AND MURDER THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. WHY IS THAT?????? I THINK “TOLERANCE” IS KILLING US!!!!!
A large number of them are what we call “Islamic Sleepers”. They play the good guy until it is time to go after us. They are here for that purpose.
Moe, I agree that innocent, peaceful Muslims should not be targeted. But the progeny of decent and disbelieving immigrants easily find the basic ideology and find reassurance in it. “Give me the boy before he is seven, and I will give you the man.”, Francis Xavier. We are not talking about “extremism” nor “radicalism”. This is a matter of fundamentalism. The perpetrator of this heinous act was acting on the core beliefs of Islam.
Have to disagree with your tiny, tiny, tiny portion of Muslims do not support these acts of terrorism.
According to a 2013 Pew Survey “The World’s Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society”, only ¾’s of Muslims polled “reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians.” In Palestine and Afghanistan the numbers are higher for obvious political reasons. The highest percentages who approved of such tactics were 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
And the Pew report doesn’t add up all of the numbers. There are approximately 1,083,021,825 Muslims in the 21 countries they polled—68% of the global total. Based on the country-by-country percentages in the Pew report, that means about 133 million support the suicide bombing or other forms of violence against civilians. Extrapolating the data—which is probably inaccurate since American and European Muslims probably support violence significantly less, while Iranian Muslims may support it more—that means about 195 million Muslims worldwide support suicide bombing and other acts of violence against civilians.
Muslim leadership needs to step up and condemn this terrorist activity or it will never stop.
Hey Moe…where’s Larry and Curley?
How about Muslims staying in check and not lynching Christians. Why do some always try to protect and defend the ‘so called peaceful’ Muslims. Is it because right now they are outnumbered in America? The Koran teaches Muslims to blend in when they are the minority and wait for Jihad. They also teach them to lie about what they truly believe. This a religious war and Christian Americans better start defending themselves against these animals.
There are NO PEACEFUL Muslims – Their Religion ( they are NOT A RACE – BUT A RELIGION) precludes any Peaceful co-existence with any “Non Believer” and you and every Non Believer are known as “KAFERS”! – FULL STOP!!
White – Black- Oriental or even middle east “non conforming Moslem” are all deemed “surplus to Mohammed s requirements”
Why dont you silly “left wing” weak kneed apologists just read a little on their Savage History and beliefs? You will see in no uncertain terms that “you are next” to be despatched – in order for them to receive their rewards!!
WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!
I think it is more like a cult than a religion.
AMEN
But these radical orthodox political moslems are now making a move on us to take away our rights to celebrate Christmas. IF they don’t like it, they don’t have to participate. I read a previous article in a Maryland town that the moslems opposed the people in their schools and public square the freedom of celebrating the holidays. CAIR and other Islamic organizations have NO business interfering in Non-Moslem affairs!! They should only focus on their own people and leave the rest of us alone!! We are NOT bothering them with our holiday celebrations!
Some times I hear this kind of justification and I wonder where your loyalty is. Killing and beheading anyone for some stupid religious reason or lies has got to be stopped, or else you will just surrender you beliefs in the true God.
So if only a minute minority of Muslims are supportive of ISIS, it should not be hard for those other 99% of Muslims to ferret out the ISIS supporters and have them arrested and transported out of the U.S. I am assuming that all you guys and gals on here requesting and telling us how wonderful the muslims are will be in the forefront of ridding so few ISIS supporters. Today is the day that you should get started doing that. When I see mass arrest of ISIS supporters being brought to justice by other Muslims, then I might believe some of your BS.
Leex,
You hit the nail on the head. This would prove once and for all that Muslims truly want to stand up and fight the ISIS terrorists. Come on Muslims it’s your turn to take out the bad guys.
HERE HERE excellent statement
http://patriotupdate.com/breaking-70-isis-members-arrested-inside-the-us-by-the-fbi-and-dhs/
You really think none of these people were ousted by other Muslims? Gimme a break. Muslims who don’t support ISIS will do whatever they can to defend our country.
Just because you aren’t looking doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Think the Horn will report on brave Muslims ousting violent terrorists? Not a chance.
You’re Moe full of it than a Jiffy-Pop. Your muslim propaganda doesn’t fly. Look around the world, and what do we see? Turmoil and mayhem PRIMARILY caused by lying, killing, fanaticcal muslims. And the so-called “majority” good muslims … where are they? Protesting? Sounding off on forums like these? Not a chance! IF they’re on forums at ALL, they’re defending all muslims, pushing politically correct notions such as “a verbal defense against muslims is [so-called] hate speech,” or spreading the “good muslim” propaganda … just as you are, MOE-hamas.
Our anger with muslims will not help ISIS in the least. Quite the contrary. We’ll evict them. Your clap-trap, on the other hand, will allow it to spread far and wide ,,, as evidenced by the same BS that’s pervaded Europe’s leftists’ defense of their muslim invasion (until it was too late).
No, Moe-baby, the fight is ON here in the USA, and we’re no pushovers, as Europe was. We’ll fight back tooth and nail, and we’ll run the muslims out on a rail. This guy who perpetrated the attacks was supposedly a US citizen. My guess is that he was born here from non-citezen parents. That’s another misinterpretation of the 14th amemdment (anchor baby “citizenship”) that the leftists have perpetrated on this country, and an example of it’s misguided results, I’ll wager.
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I’m sorry, Moe. I’m sure you are well-intentioned.
I’m a world traveled scholar who has studied the Qur’an and Islam fo.r over 30 years. ISIS is merely a distraction. The
real enemy is Islam and
your Muslim neghbor
You are wrong that Moe is well intentioned. He is probably a member of ISIS and that is why he is defending their actions. I think everyone with a Muslim name or origin should be rounded up and sent back to the Middle East and then we close our borders. Go back to the shit-holes you came from and don’t try to turn our beautiful Country into the Middle East. Look how Muslims have destroyed neighborhoods in Paris and London. Sorry but they act like animals and they live like animals…just sayin’.
EXACTLY, Lynn. Moe’s an intentional distractor … a muslim mole .. master of deception, just like the muslim POTUS is.
Somehow I doubt that you’ve studied the Qur’an as much as you say you have. 30 years is a long time. So tell me, what do you think of the Qur’an’s rules of warfare? Let’s test your chops.
Here’s the thing. I hold a degree in religious studies. The first thing about being a religious scholar is that you don’t claim that an entire religion is “the enemy”. That’s a completely ridiculous statement. Do you have any idea how massive Islam is? To claim that “Islam and your Muslim neighbor” are the enemy, holy cow… you’re a phony, buddy. No religious scholar goes around claiming that any religion is responsible for its followers. Followers are responsible for their own interpretation of the scripture. The Qur’an teaches many things–peace and violence. So does the Old Testament. If you’re truly a “scholar” like you claim, you’re a pretty lousy one and you seem to have missed the entire point of studying a religion completely.
That is the “Old Testament” you refer to Moe.
Try referring to the words of Jesus in the “New Testament”.
If you are educated in Christianity, you should know the difference!!!
Very true, Greg!
There is one true God, and only one. Islam’s ‘god,’ despite what the leftist infiltrators of Christian religious schools may try to have us believe, is not the God of the Bible. That ‘god’ is an imposter … the great deceiver. AN anyone who tells us otherwise is working for him, Moe. Who’s YOUR boss?
(That’s a rhetorical question, as the answer is apparent from you posts.)
Churchill….
“Islam is the most retrograde force in the world.”
MOE, YOU SOUND LIKE YOU MAY WORK FOR HILLARY CLINTON…IF SO I SUGGEST YOU FIND ANOTHER JOB….I HEAR DONALD TRUMP IS HIRING…..IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO APPLY FOR A JOB WITH HIM THEN I SUGGEST YOU AT LEAST READ WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT MUSLIMS AND WHAT HOW TO HANDLE THEM.
OUR COUNTRY CANNOT AFFORD TO OVER LOOK THEM, THEY ALL NEED TO BE PUT INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS UNTILL WE HAVE WIPED OUT ALL THE ISIS SCUMBAGS AND THEN SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM.
GOD BLESS OUR COUNTRY AND OUR PRESIDENT TO BE… DONALD TRUMP….AMEN
He is like all muslims, read the koran and stop putting western values on people that don’t have them. They are devoted to allah and islam only. Islam doesn’t not allow for alligence to anything but allah and mohammed.
do you know anything about the moslems holyest of books. it clearly states what should happen to nonbelievers. if the mussees want to go sit by allah, i am all for helping them.
Moe, I suggest you read the Qu’ran. It spells it all out!
Islam IS a hate crime. Islam is a serial murderer of entire peoples and cultures. Islam is a sadistic, anti-human abomination worthy only of extinction.
Dorrity—-You tell it like it is—Thank You
If the majority of Muslims denounce ISIS, when are they going to stand up and say that they despise Radical Muslims. When will respectful Muslims inform authorities of there radical Muslim brothers. If Muslims wish to live peacefully in this country they need to show there loyality to the STARS AND STRIPES and not too there Terrorist brothers and sisters. Where are the Iman’s who preach the Quaran and know the radicals from the peaceful muslims (if their are any). We need politicians elected who don’t give a shit about political correctness and who are willing to do whats right for America not whats right for any other Country, Religion or Entity.
The American people are not Blind to the obvious. The obvious is in the seeing & hearing.trying to sale a agenda that’s 2face will always be exposed .
The American people are not Blind to the obvious. The obvious is in the seeing & hearing.trying to sale a agenda that’s 2face will always be exposed .
The American people are not Blind to the obvious. The obvious is in the seeing & hearing.trying to sale a agenda that’s 2face will always be exposed .
A direct quote from the Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, chapter/sera 8:12 states: “When the Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, so make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. So smite above the neck and smite every fingertip of them.” >>>>>There are approximately 100 more verses in the main Muslim holy book, the Qu’ran, which continues in this vain of warfare with the infidels/the disbelievers of Islam. Also they teach Jesus did not really die on the cross as He was not really the Son of God, but just a man that was a prophet…..BUT they teach Jesus will return to earth, denounce Christianity, convert to Islam, and become a major Muslim judgmental ruler against non-believers of Islam.
The thing is, either Jesus was a good man and a prophet of God, or Mohammed was a good man and a prophet of God. You cannot have it both ways. Mohammed said that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Son of God. Well, Jesus himself said many times that He was the Son of God. So either Jesus was a lier and a deceiver, in which case He was not a prophet, or else he was Who He said He was. And if Jesus was the Son of God like He said He was, then Mohammed couldn’t be a prophet, because he said that Jesus was “only” a prophet and not the Son of God. Jesus preached peace, forgiveness, and love. Mohammed taught hatred, intolerance and murder of those who did not believe in Islam.
In whom do you believe? As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord Jesus.
So then you “good” muslims should show your “good faith”, and police your own as we Christians do……………….. instead of helping Barry take away our rights while standing by as they attack the defenseless……….. Just leave them alone right?…..we can see how that works. The real enemy, are the powers that be who create the refugees……….true Americans are against foreign entanglements…….this is all of their creation. Saudi Arabia is ENEMY # 1 along with their Zionist allies. We are not going to sit idly by while being attacked at home for long.
Moe, no one is taking to the street to lynch anyone, we just need to be extremely cautious and on the alert.
. As far as stoning adulterers, Jesus showed us the Fathers heart with the woman caught in adultery, He did not even condemn her. As for killing all the Philistines, the people there had been corrupted genetically, hence “giants”. That’s why they had to be killed. The same thing happened back in Genesis, which led to extreme violence and wickedness, and the flood.
. Did God kill all the Egyptians? No, He just taught those who wouldn’t leave the Israelites alone a lesson, and then killed those that went after them. God is extremely merciful, that’s why He sent Jesus, God the Son, to die for you if you accept His payment for your sins, as Lord of all.
Peaceful muslims ??? The only “peaceful” muslims are 6 feet under. Their bible, the “Koran” tells them to kill non believers. Winston Churchill had it right 100 years ago, “islam is to man, as rabies is to a dog”. But, go ahead & buddie up to them, you’ll find out soon enough what they are like.
Sorry but you are wrong! Even those who have turned away from Islam have recognized that islam is bent on terrorist acts! The majority of Muslims follow the Koran and are waiting for the call to Kill! Kill all who do not follow Allah and those in the Islamic faction who befriend outsiders! Go find out what those who have left Islam believe about the religion of terror!
These people are the biggest danger to the free world since Germany and Japan of 75 years ago. To reject and mistrust this demographic is wise and practical. If a rattle snake is dangerous in Maine, Kansas, Arizona and Oregon, then it’s common sense to say that rattle snakes are to be avoided. The same with these people for whom evil hate is considered the norm.
Well, I guess they’re successful…….more and more people hate Muslims…
Well, I guess they’re successful…….more and more people hate Muslims…
Kiss my ass. They will be harassed until they get the hell out of the USA. I want every last Muslim SOB to get the hell out before we start lynching their asses.
Muslims are not just a religion it is So much more & does not fall within our normal scope of understanding your statement works yet doesn’t help the problem we Christians are facing. It is a take over that is preached to all Muslims. It is what their koran is all about
WHAT’S NEW
EARLY 1940’S BY WORD—-DOWN WITH HITLER AND HIS SKIN-HEADS
PRESENT DAY—–DOWN WITH MOHAMMED’S DIAPER-HEADS
Moe, Muslims don’t have to tell the truth to “infidels” by their rules. Do you want to know why Muslims don’t belong in America? I would suggest you get and read
“Islam Revealed” by Dr. Anise A. Shorrosh (A Christian Palestinian Arab)
He knows and understands the Quran and Muslim theology. The book is Forwarded by Dr. Adrian Rogers, then President of the Southern Baptist Convention, Pastor of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis, TN.
No Muslims don’t belong in any Christian country.
It’s a whole lot easier to like them while they are in there own country. All muslims need to be shipped out of America, as their coran states they all are to kill the infidel’s. GET RID OF ALL muslims
Moe,
take a look at this and try to tell me your side again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5BtQgTGOI4
Here are a Few FACTS for Everyone to Realize;
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Musiims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
EXACTLY CORRECT…, SPOT ON….!!
If Obama was assassinated do you think the Liberals would call it WORK PLACE VIOLENCE? I would call it a Blessing!
We don’t want to Harass Moslems, we want them GONE! By–like their Black U.S. Leader,’ Calypso Luis Farra-Khan’ says, “By Any Means Necessary!”
The problem is the Quran.
As long as your religion follows that book there will be terrorism.
That book teaches terrorism and those that perform terrorism are religous zelots that are following that book. Most Muslims don’t do those acts but they teach it and are very happy to keep those evil commands in their Quran and so all the many terror groups exist. All the peaceful Muslims are scared to say anything publicly against those commands because they would be killed by their fellow Muslims.
Why so quick to defend, explain and rationalize the indefensible??? No one I know is suggesting we “lynch peaceful Muslims” but it may be long past due for Americans to take to the streets. This President and his administration have left our borders wide open. Obama has encouraged our enemies by setting their table and clearing their paths. While our country is being invaded, Obama is pretending not to see our enemies Trogan Horse on the path he cleared. Why do you think you need to rationalize or defend the ‘innocent Muslims”?
Let them speak for themselves. They can talk. No American should rush to explain away this behavior. Muslims can explain their “innocent and peaceful” intentions. Americans can hear THEM.
Americans do need to be armed. We need to seriously question why our President would attempt to disarm law abiding Americans especially while Americans are most vulnerable. If there is a terrorist threat– I would rather be armed with a gun than hide under a desk with my eyes closed. You need to Pick a side. This isn’t about explaining and protecting ‘Muslims’ . It is about protecting Americans. Period.
A good point. We need to let our official authorities determine who to profile (although I am concerned how hamstrung they may be). At the same time, we need to remain vigilant. Those that appear to be radicalized especially those who have traveled abroad need some extra monitoring. Time is on their side. But just as our own govt has tried to produce a racial wedge among us, we must not let it (or ISIS) succeed.
You are full of it. The vast majority of muslims support any thing that works toward turning the West into a muslim area. It is that simple. If a person professes to be muslim but decries the terrorism attacks against the west, he is engaging in the approved lying to ‘infidels’ or he is an heritic in the muslim faith. It is that simple.
Steve
I would have no problem lynching you BASTARDS. What would you like us to do, give you a party every time you MURDER INNOCENT PEOPLE ?? You are SICK, PERVERTED, ANIMALS and we AMERICANS will fight you and have NO PROBLEM killing you and destroying your SICK so called RELIGION. Take your propaganda somewhere else MOE.
Poor Vultures – are the decent people hurting your feelings??
These “peaceful” muslims even worked for our stupid government that is run by a muslem. When are we going to get our heads out of our asses and eliminate the problem. Our current government is all for the coran and
ending our Christian Capitalistic way of life. If you don’t want to work or be an American go somewhere else
You have not talked face to face with “the majority of Muslims” so HOW DO YOU KNOW? You sound like a rotten Muslim yourself – get off it or go to the middle east where you will find peace – or beheading by ISIS.
That is a very simple minded way of looking at things. These people you so admire have already seized control of the city council in Hamtramck, Michigan and are now changing EVERYTHING they can to make it resemble their sandbox back home. They ARE a cancer that is going to spread at a rate we won’t be able to keep track of. No, they are not ALL bad but, the ones who rape women are forgiven when they say the woman was amoral or loose. Do you want them in YOUR city? Maybe you’re one of those ragheads.
well we are not going to let them take over and we are not going to let them change all our ways n laws.
i will not let them harm me or anyone around me. they are hell bent on killing everyone in this country and we will fight back.
no moslem is to be trusted
we have groups that will be hunting them down real soon and after this shooting they are hunting already.
those syrian refugee’s are obama’s rebels from syria…they will do false flag attacks so obama can stay in office with his executive laws and be king of the moslems in the USA
he will not allow another election folks..he has a plan to stay indefinitely …watch how these shooting increase and it will be moslems doing it all………all part of the plan to disarm us and make it a moslem nation
i am one of the moslem hunters and hunting is awesome
The stupidity and irrational bigotry that fill so many of these comments is giving The Horn News an image of being a place where ignorant and inflammatory racism is commonplace.
People seem to forget the millions of people who have been killed by the Christian movement over the centuries….killing in the name of God.Anyone remember the Holy Crusades when Christian kings sent their soldiers to plunder and kill throughout the mideast ? What about the missionaries and the Catholic church who believed that if ‘savages’ could not be converted to Christianity then they must be enslaved or killed ? Remember the “good Christians” who burned people at the stake for witchcraft and the hysteria of that era ? What about the Catholic church’s Inquisition period when innocents were tortured and killed in the name of God ? How many wars have we waged against others because we thought them Godless and less than us ?
How many people and countries have we enslaved and used for our own ends while leaving them impoverished ? It still goes on today ! And, how many times have we invaded or interfered with other nations because we wanted to control their future and our access to their oil, their gold, silver, and such, and their political framework.
Our hands are not clean and Moe Verner made an intelligent and sensible observation, whether you agree with it or not.
they must have not been real Christian people… the Muslims kill more……..
Here’s an important difference: Christians aren’t still doing it.
thats what you think. what are u suppose to do just let them kill????
You are a terrorist scumbag. Look at your stupid evil logic; i’s it because of hatred for Islam that Muslim murdered over 13,000 in Nigeria, in kenya, in india, in russia, in sudan, in aafganstan, in pakistan, in libya, in syria, in israel , France , etc? As stealth jihadist mole in America, you writing this nonsense to confuse and mislead the public about crux of the problem which is satanic Islam and blood thirsty demon. Called allah. 90 % of war and conflict in the world is caused by Islam and Muslim vermin; and you have the audacity to spin a full blown terrorism planned by the likes of ilk and supported by jihadist in the white house and Saudi Arabia nation of murderers. Islam is evil and the god of Islam is satan, itself. OK. Is only liberal America fools and traitors that would listen to you or be influenced by your rubbish obsfucation.
Lynchings just might solve 100rds of 1000’s of Muslims leaving this country and going back to their sand box in the middle east.
Verner — A little Qu’ran study for context and understanding … “And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.” (Surah III; 85). “He it is Who sent His Apostle (Muhammed) with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions though the polytheists (Jews and Christians) may be averse.” (Surah IX: 33). “O Prophet! Strive hard (lit. ‘Jihad’) against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” (Surah IX: 73).
Why are no other religionists like this Islam believers? How come muslims keep having this kind of people if what they do is not religious? How do you explain surah 8:39 and 8.41? I am waiting for your reply.
How would YOU know what Daesh wants?
Go fuk yourself you leftist, mentally disordered useful idiot! Who is harassing them while they continue to kill? Go invite some of them to live you you so you can bond with them you idiot!
There are two kinds of Islam followers, those that finance, and those that carry it out!
While your observations are measured and make sense to Western thought, a mistake is being made. A subtle one, yet deadly.
If, say, the Pope were to radicalize and call for the deaths of all “Heretic Protestants”, and send the Swiss Vatican Guard out on undercover missions to kill, the Pope and and Cardinal, Bishop, or Priest involved would be held accountable, and white smoke would be seen above the Vatican.
This is not occurring in Islam.
Instead, even here in the United States, fully 80% of mosques are preaching violent Jihad, with literature available at the front door. The political aspect of this reality is lost on the Progressive, Liberal Left. They see things as you do, leaving the country vulnerable to Paris, and now San Bernardino, incidents. In the face of Radicalized Islam your view, combined with the Politically Correct Left, will kill us all.
Which would be a bad thing, unless that is the goal.
Have never being clarified that the Koran do not incite to kill unfaithful. Meantime the Islamic believer do not fight to prove that that is not true and the Muslims think that killing others save their souls we must continue thinking that all Mosque and clericals must be watch over. Otherwise let us know how we can trust you!
You say it’s only a “tiny, tiny fraction” of all muslims that believe in violence to achieve world-wide religious dominance. I disagree. I’ve read many, many reports that say the “fraction” is AT LEAST 10%. It is estimated that there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Even if the “fraction” of believers were only 1%, that’s still 16 million people, which is more than enough to create world-wide havoc!
Give it up buddy. Your “tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny” fraction according to many, many , many valid surveys world-wide in the last 18 months equal 26,000,000 people who vehemently support ALL radical Islamic violent activities against all Islam’s enemies (with the US at the top of their list. Know what hat would look like? New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami, and seven Houston sized cities combined !!
I have several friends that are Muslim. I asked a couple of them one day about their religious beliefs and if it is a religion of peace, why they did not try to convert folks like other religions and open their mosque to anyone. All are good and friendly folks, pleasant and considerate. But this is how the conversation ended — when they are called to rise up (moderates, peaceful or radical) they will all rise up and kill the infidel, which will bring about the second coming of the Messiah. One told me if it is Allah or our God that is who they will follow. Only you can believe or deny the inevitable.
Janice: Poision the bastards now, before they behead you, your family and loved ones!
WHY IN THE HELL DONT WE JUST DROP BOMBS AND BLOW THEM THE HELL OF THIS EARTH OR IS IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WITH NA BACK BONE OR MAYBE HE IS INVOLVED
Did anyone check to see if they were mad about global warming?
Why aren’t more Muslims speaking out about the radicals who are hurting the nonradical Muslim population. If they feel persecuted then speak out against the jihads who are causing it.
well I guess i’ll send a few more to isis case I hate muslims and there won’t be many left in the near future what americans don’t end up having to kill will deport
go trump 2016
Mow-Hommand! Go stuff pig guts up your arse!! You Moose-Lim loving mf’er! I say kill all Moose-Lims, starting in the Middle-East right NOW!, then each country destroy every Moose-Lim mosque in each country, then go after the ones that do not convert/assemilate to the country laws ands rules set forth by their governments.They don’t like it, send their filthy Moose-Lim arseholes back to their Sharia Law country, whatever is left of the place! Sweet justice for these terrorist ‘gender-bending’ Muslims!
Is hunting season over, I can’t wait til next hunting season.
Good Muslims??? How do you Identify the good from the bad except when there slaughtering you? Authorities are being very careful in trying to avoid words like Muslim terrorists, bombs, terror attack and such to forestall the coming backlash against Muslims. This culture is much like the Japanese culture during WW-2 when the Japs even those that were born here and had never even set foot in Japan had total loyalty to the Emperor even though they called themselves Americans. The Muslims are exactly the same in their loyalty to Allah and more so since they are honored to die for him. Roosevelt in his wisdom Knew how to handle the threat and kept us safe here in the US. But then again Roosevelt wasn’t a Jap. That’s what has to be done today with what we and the world are facing Drop the PC and do what has to be done to terrorists and their families once exposed followed by deportation for the families that instilled this hatred and death for the terrorists.
ISIS is Muslim and Muslim is ISIS … Anyone who follows the teachings of the Koran is a Muslim and is also commanded by the Koran to kill all non Muslims….End of story…
Muslims are all ticking time bombs. The Quran instructs them to kill. Perhaps at the moment they are peaceful but they support and praise acts of violence against infidels. Some will, some won’t but none can be trusted. Why take the chance? As is the case with Japan for example, do not let them into your countries. Close your borders to ebola and cancer. Muslims are carriers of the disease, Islam!
I am not sure you can be a good Muslim and and American. I believe that if Muslims stand by and do nothing then they are as guilty as the terrorists.
Read the Quoran. It teaches that Christians are infidels and should be killed. So it is the religion not just individuals.
I understand one thing about them, they read the Koran and have the same beliefs that all (in the world) should (SHOULD not may) submit to Islam. And that Christians are offending them with Christmas and offending their Personage of worship (Alia). THEY JUST DON’T MIX INTO AMERICA, like oil and water, the oil will always separate and get together and dominate over the water, holding it down under it. Is Americans the oil or the water?
Moe,
You say that people who fear/hate/distrust Islam just don’t understand it, and in another comment, you chastised someone who claimed to understand and be knowledgable about Islam because they had an unfavorable view of it, implying that if one becomes well-educated enough about a belief system (in this case, Islam) they will invariably find less to criticize. That is an error of reasoning. Not all belief systems are equal, fundamentally alike, or of equal value. Not every player gets a trophy. Or at least should not, but in this day of crazed political correctness, even the kids who never leave the bench get a medal.
Islam does, in fact, promote violence against unbelievers in a way that is different from Christianity (or Biblical Judaism). To post even a partial list of ways it does this would take a great deal of space in the comments section. Just one example is a fundamental teaching that intentional deception with harmful intent towards unbelievers, and sometimes under certain circumstances to each other, is a good. Taqiyya teaches us to lie to unbelievers, act amiably, while keeping animosity in our hearts against them, until we are of a number or power to rise up and defeat them. ‘Moderates’ accept this teaching. It is mainstream, not ‘radical’.
I strongly suggest that you, and anyone else with naive views of Islam, spend time with former Muslims who can educate you from personal experience on the belief system from which they have escaped. And I do use the word ‘escaped’ deliberately. I’ve watched well-meaning western professors try to ‘teach’ about Islam because they thought they understood it as scholars, and wanted to clear things up and create love or at least tolerance in the hearts of the western students they believed feared it only due to ignorance. What I saw in them, sadly, was a self-annihilating naivete that was heartbreaking to me.
Islam is not, was never, and will never be a friend to the west or any non-Islamic system. What it will be is a deceptive, falsely amiable, and breathtakingly patient enemy. Sorry. That’s simply the truth. Wanting to believe otherwise will never make it so.
May the Lord increase your knowledge.
I have a problem understanding why Muslims who follow the teachings in the Qu’ran are ‘extremists’ or ‘radical’. How can you be extreme if all you are doing is following the writings of the holy books?
You obviously have not read their “holy book”.
Their holy book instructs them to kill non believers by chopping off their heads. Their “holy book” teaches that they must make islam the only religion in the world through violence and destruction.
Oh yeah, their “holy book” tells them they must murder homosexuals by either stoning them to death or throwing them off of a mountain cliff.
Read their “holy book” and then see if you still have the same opinion when you are actually informed.
They are so dishonest – they talk about killing Homosexuals – yet the dastardly disease runs wild. Even in the Benghazi killings, our Ambassador was sodomized…
See what liars and crud they are…
well I don’t see where it’s a holy book but I do see the queers …queers and trannies which is just a fancy queer is condemned in all religion cause it is a mental condition and needs to be eradicated now before it to late …I hate muslims but I can see where they’re coming from on this point
The same reason why you’re called an extremist if you’re a Christian and you stone adulterers. Or if you follow God’s command in Deuteronomy to “exterminate everything that breathes”.
Christians follow the new testament more than the old although the 10 Commandments remain important. The Christian faith is based on love and forgiveness as taught by Christ.
I do not routinely see Muslim Immans speaking out against radical Islam. This is quite disturbing.
The only Commandment not forwarded to the New Testament is the 4th One – ‘Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it Holy.”
However, we are not to let others run over us. We are to call a spade a spade, and not let them into our lives.
Point me to the Book , Chapter, Verse in the New Testament teaching people to stone an Adulterer.
You won’t find it. Jesus scolded the people committing the stoning saying, “Those without sin cast the first stone”. Meaning none of them could claim that.
Right, Ad9mac. Idiots who only read comic books say they know what the Bible says, and misquote it all the time. That dufus.
That’s good Moe. Change the subject as soon as someone presents facts that you can’t deny. Nobody was talking about the Bible or Christianity. Probably because they have nothing to do with the fact that the so called “religion” of islam, which is actually no more than a theology of war and domination, teaches it’s followers to kill all non believers. Therefore ALL muslims in order to be good muslims want us all dead.
Typical liberal move ………. Gotta love it. Ha Ha HAHA HAHAA HAAA
Right William. It’s a Political Theology. All of them have been brain-washed with this oppressed idea that there was actually an Allah or Muhammad out in the stars somewhere.
When was the last time you say a Christian adulterer get stoned to death. What do Muslim’s do to women who are adulterer’s. There own family members behead them. Moe you have lost your way.
That’s right Francis. They have ‘Honor Killings’ all the time. Rape is the woman’s fault – and she is stoned. [Even if it is 4 or 5 maggots that do it.] In Phoenix Arizona a Muslime father waited for his daughter, who didn’t want to marry the elderly man he picked for her, and ran over her. This killing was alright??? You Infidel…right – Muslime’s are the Infidels.
Kiss my hairy ass. They will be harassed until they get the hell out of the USA. I want every last Muslim SOB to get the hell out before we start lynching their asses.
well at least someone agree’s with me thks
Called extremist by who, Moe? I’ll tell you who: Muslims, leftists and all of the great deceiver, Lucifer’s other followers. And BTW, there haven’t been too many stonings of adulterers by Christians since, well, Christ. That’s about 2 millenium, Moe.
Now, let’s count the number of muslim inflicted beheadings, and other such maimings oin the name of their cult … well, dang, I can’t count them since they’re too numerous to count, and ONGOING AS WE SPEAK. Oh, yea! They just added another 17 with this article …
What do you take us for, Moe? Idiots? You’re definitely either a minion of the great deceiver .. or just one of the fabled “useful idiots.”
And they may have made a giant mistake in the last few hours. They beheaded a Russian. I’m not a Communist fan at all – but Mr. Putin has oo’s and will retaliate. Unlike that ooLess crap we have in OUR w/h…
I go for idiot
You err there. There’s a difference between Christianity and Judaism. The Old Testament is just what it is. Christians do not stone adulterers. They tell them they are wrong and should repent. Christ is the author and finisher of the Christian’s faith. He forgave a woman caught in adultery and warned her to go and sin no more. He is the Christian’s example. Get it? Nowhere in the entire New Testament would one see what you are saying.
If christians stone adulterers, say where that took place and when. How many have they killed?
Truth is that islam was borne in violence and has been spread by massive bloodshed. Examples are all over: Pakistan, Nigeria, Somalia, US, Lebanon, Palestine, you name it. So why the pretence?
How many Christian stoning have occurred lately??? We live in New Testament times…God is love…Islam is hate and murder…
Because as much as the left tries to downplay what is written in their(Muslim) holy books, the fact is that they are doing exactly what they are told to do in those same books. With all due respect I urge you and everyone else to do a little research, you could start with Glenn Beck’s book, “It is about Islam”. I’m reading it now, and it seems very well documented. This is going to get worse as a result of the hundreds of thousands of “refugees” that are being brought to our shores. I fear we ain’t seen nothin’ yet. Get ready.
Jimmy Swaggart has an excellent book out – It’s called “The United States, Israel & Islam.” It was a Prophecy from 2007 – before all this started and the piece of crap got in our w/h. Everything he prophesied at that time has come true. Order at http://www.shopjsm.org – and be prepared to have your hair stand on end.
Someone told me about it – I didn’t much believe in Prophecy – but this is harrowing.
Maybe it’s because that so called “holy book” actually tells those that follow it, to kill and slay infidels. That’s where we have the problem. The kornan tells it’s following to murder those that don’t convert. Sounds peaceful, huh?
By following the teachings of the Qu’ran, you will be radical because that is exactly what it teaches. When any holy book teaches one to eliminate those who do not believe like you, to stone their own believers for supposedly committing adultery, to putting to death the homosexual believer; then it is a radical religion because it is teaching intolerance. It is a religion that is intolerant of other religions and that is why Christians and Jews are being killed and persecuted in all Muslim nations. In those nations, you do not have the freedom to worship as you please as we do in America.
Yes correct, but they aren’t a religion by our (USA) definition, they are a cult of sorts that once someone is in it, they can’t leave without being killed, or at best deserted by there own family. So they really don’t have any right to do what their so called religion tells them to do in America. They are counting on us all accepting them as practicing a religion, so they can get away with what ever they say is normal for them. BY THE WAY WHERE THE HELL IS THEIR LEADER WHO NEEDS TO ANSWER TO SOCIETY FOR THEM AND SEPARATE THIS SPECIAL CONGREGATION WITHIN WHO SEEM TO BE NOT FOR TERRORISM ? There’s NOT one, because no one person would ever want to be responsible for all those BELIEVERS. You see, then the cult leader would have to stand trial for mass murders.
Yes, Muslims read the Qur’an and follow it devoutly while praying several times per day. One may think that the Qur’an is a “Holy Book” teaching the word of God; However, the Qur’an teaches hatred for “infidels”, those, whom are not Muslim, while teaching of death to all infidels, i.e. – – “Hack off their heads”. Now, perhaps most Muslims will not murder you, but I believe that they will all hold your feet. It is their belief. You cannot change their belief unless you change the Qur’an. Secondly, they have a quest of taking over the world, and that is in the Qur’an too. And, they will do this with deceit, trickery, and any other method at their disposal – – also in the Qur’an. If you take notice, Muslims do not assimilate into our society. They want their own country. Read the Qur’an and you will find out. You don’t even have to read the whole Qur’an, there are sites on the internet which paraphrases the verses for you, so you can save time and effort and still find the truth. Americans need to know whom is in their society.
Right on, Mike S
If that book calls for violence and death, to the outsider it will be radical. To the insider, not so much.
Example – I’m certain that the Aztec Priests had no problem with sacrificing babies daily to make the sun rise every morning. But those villages where the infants were seized saw it as something else. Which explains why 50 Spanish Conquistadors were able to overthrow the entire Aztec Empire. The locals had enough of the barbarians.
Question – when will we finally get fed up with Islamic Barbarians?
Try reading and interpreting that particular “HOLY BOOK” and then maybe you would understand the vast difference in Holy books. The Quran is most definitely not a book of peace as you are being led to believe.
Took them long enough to make that connection.
So they just happen to be muslim,ya right.
So Moe, what you are saying is there are a large number of people waiting for an excuse to become raging lunatic murderers if Americans decide they need to defend their homeland or their families if their duly elected representatives fail to do the same or in fact decide to exacerbate the problem. Is that what you are saying?
Nope. You’re simplifying things. Sorry that what I said went over your head. Let me know if you sincerely want me to explain it to you.
William, your truths went over po’ Moe’s head, so he resorts to impertinence.
We had a civil war once the people had enough didn’t we?? And we formed the greatest nation ever devised. So didn’t you ever hear the phrase that history repeats itself? Once people realize that they are losing their country to terrorists and government is not addressing the problem, They will Revolt once they have a leader. That is what Trump is representing with his high poll numbers it’s the peoples revolt against a corrupted inept government and is why they want an outsider. If he fails to be elected and represent the people, Then all bets are off people because they will find a leader and take matters into their own hands .Like in Coup d eta.
So Moe, what you are saying is there are a large number of people waiting for an excuse to become raging lunatic murderers if Americans decide they need to defend their homeland or their families if their duly elected representatives fail to do the same or in fact decide to exacerbate the problem. Is that what you are saying?
the only question is,will obama call it for what it really is?the answer imo is no,there are only 2 options with this guy,either he is delusional and insane or he is a cultural muslim.my money is on choice number 2
I couldn’t agree more. I am in the UK and I believe our decision to join in airstrikes yesterday will aggravate radicalism here. We are not avenging the deaths of the innocents in Paris but will be killing more innocents in Syria. ISIS heads are underground in bunkers, apart from the ones we have living here. However, until we can know who they are, we can’t kill arbitrarily as we then behave in the same manner as they do.
Judy, had you been in charge instead of Churchill in WWII, you would all be speaking German right now.
You sound just like Chamberlin did in the face of the NAZI threat, and Obama now.
You should rethink yourself, before you find your head held back, and feel the dull edge of a rusty Islamic blade cutting your unrealistic throat.
I believe that we have not had more attacks like these because peaceful Muslims are quietly informing local authorities about them. To do so publicly
would get the informers killed. They cannot, of course, know about all plots as some groups are very small in number.
Richard 1 is to many especially when your family is involved.
That’s bunk! If the supposedly “good muslims” are the majoprity here, they would stand up against the evil, just as we are. Do you see any standing up on forums, even? NO!
You people who stick their head in the sand are just as harmful and/or evil as the muslims you passively defend.
I guess I have a problem with what Moe has to say, the muslims are taught to hate infidels, no we can’t go out and start shooting muslims but take my word for it when there gets to be enough of them they will come gunning for us. This is just the tip of the ice berg in what is going to happen in America if we don’t wake up..We are going to see more and more of these type of murders and they justify it because we are infidels. The sad part of it is our president is one of them and if you don’t believe me look at the number of muslim brotherhood there is in our government now. If Egypt run them out as terrorist them I think we can be pretty sure they are terrorists.
Muslims are not taught to hate “infidels” any more than Christians are taught to hate who they believe are infidels. Maybe you should get to know some Muslims so you can understand their beliefs a bit better. Maybe break out the Qu’ran and realize it’s as much a mixed bag as the Old Testament is. I know Muslims personally. They don’t hate me.
What you need to understand is this: You can’t characterize every person in a group any certain way. Some atheists call Christians stupid for believing in what they believe is a fairy tale. That’s not okay. Some Sunnis and Shi’ites hate each other because they have fundamentally different understandings of the passing-on of leadership. That’s not okay. Racists think they’re the best because everyone else, to them, is dirty. That’s not okay. You see? We’re afraid of people who don’t share our beliefs or our worldviews or our whatevers. We should not be afraid, we should learn about people who are not like us. Education is the first step to solving this conflict. If you choose to cover your ears and ignore everything outside of your own head, then you’re part of the problem, and you’re no better than the terrorists.
Moe
I know Muslims personally. They don’t hate me.
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Your assessment.
Since the Koran deems it perfectly acceptable to befriend to hide real intentions, lie to kafirs I’d watch my back if I were you.
And yes I have a Muslim acquaintance. We are cordial to each other but I have no illusions of my standing with him. I have met several of his relatives and they are NOT cordial.
“Can’t characterize every person in a group” – you mean like the Saudis do to Israel – yea, the same Saudis that is home to Mecca, holiest place of Islam. Don’t try to go to Saudi Arabia with An Israeli passport, or even one stamped from Israel, you will be denied. So why should we not do the same again? Problem is as everyone is stating, these people need their own space, and that space does not translate to our civilization, built here in the USA by non muslims.
“Maybe you should get to know some Muslims…”
We’ve gotten to know you well enough already, Moe, just from your posts … and you’ve taught me, for one, to hate your pervasive evil and deception already. BTW, I’m praying to Jesus for your soul, as we speak. HTH!
They picked the best State in the United States to be able to go in and do a mass shooting. Had this been one of the nearly 40 states that advocate Open Carry and allow their people the freedom to openly carry their weapons then this would not have happened or at least the Terrorist would be killed on Site before a bunch of people were killed. You bring that same scenario to Texas and see what happens to the Terrorist. Those good old boys and GIRLS would have been talking their language back to the terrorist. Probably with bigger bullets.
And Obama wants to disarm the people………think about it. Who’s side is he on ?
WAKE UP AMERICA.
Where is my comment????
Where are the Muslim leaders. Why are they not condemning these actions. Why are they not going after radical Clerics that preaching hate in certain Mosque and support what is happening.
Right, Got-Cha Moe. The Religion of peace, right? I don’t know how anyone can doubt that. The Muslims in the USA have been working overtime to reassure us that they don’t support the actions of their radical brothers and sisters. Why just the other day in Dearborn, Mi. they held a rally against ISIS and I was overwhelmed when 35 people showed up. Let’s see, approx. 5000 Muslims in Dearborn and 35 show up to rally against ISIS and show support for America. Now that is some convincing shit.
Right, so obviously those people who didn’t show up to the rally aren’t busy at work or taking care of children. Listen, I get that you’re freaked out. But don’t jump to conclusions. Dearborn has a big Arab population. Are you even friends with anyone who’s a Muslim? Maybe you should branch out and get to know your neighbors.
Moe, are you this board’s local CAIR propagandist? Do you get paid for this cr@p?
do not worry the IDIOT in charge has reinforcements on the way!.
Right, Got-Cha Moe. The Religion of peace, right? I don’t know how anyone can doubt that. The Muslims in the USA have been working overtime to reassure us that they don’t support the actions of their radical brothers and sisters. Why just the other day in Dearborn, Mi. they held a rally against ISIS and I was overwhelmed when 35 people showed up. Let’s see, approx. 5000 Muslims in Dearborn and 35 show up to rally against ISIS and show support for America. Now that is some convincing shit.
They are the enemy; kill them all !!!!
Calm down Hitler.
Hey Mobama wake up. Watch your back with your so called muslim friends. They blow themselves up for there Mohammed. Do you actually believe you have any influence in their lives. MOE-MOE-MOE
WE AGREE,HOWEVER,WE DO HAVE A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE HERE TO KILL US!KEEP THAT IN MIND ALSO!,DON’T TRY TO PRTEND LIKE ITS NOT TRUE! THEY COULD LIVE NEXT TO U,AND WHEN THEY THINK ITS THE RIGHT TIME, BOO U R OUT!OUR GOV.COULDNT DO NOTHING TO STOP THEM COMING HERE,TO TX.SO WATCH OUT,U COULD HAVE ONE NEXT DOOR,AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT,TIL THEY KILL MORE OF US!HERE IN OUT OWN LAND,,WHATS IT CALL AGAIN??THE “LAND OF THE FREE”??NOT FOR US BUDDY!! EVEN IF :MEDIA”WANTS TO MAKE US BELIEVE THEY R HARMLESS,DONT BELIEVE IT,’NOT ALL OF THEM R”!!JUST TRY TO HELP THE ONES U ‘feel in ur heart”that r good people, and may “God help us all!
Hmmm
There are now reports that there was again a government “drill” for an active shooter in the immediate area. And once again the “shooters” are all killed. And once again they were “Muslim terrorists” Terrorists that just happened to target a party of law government officials. If this was not a false flag, and the evidence is mounting that it was, a strong case could be made that this was a hit. Which would indicate organized crime or a crime of passion, not “terrorism”.
Either way the timing was perfectly time to prevent the MSM from finally admitting that the so called “Dancing Muslims” were in fact Dancing Israelis. This story was continuing to build and would have finally introduced the mainstream to the real terrorists on 9-11, Israel. The Dancing Israelis that were arrested in the park that set up a video camera facing the towers BEFORE they were struck. The Dancing Israelis that cheered and danced when the towers went down. The Dancing Israelis that later went on Israeli TV and stated they had been sent to NY City to “document the event”. And of course there were the 2 additional vans with Israelis arrested on 9-11. Those 2 vans had traces of explosives and had murals painted on the sides depicting the twin towers with a plane crashing into them. These were ALL ISRAELI NATIONALS LATER IDENTIFIED AS MOSSAD ARRESTED ON 9-11 IN NY CITY. Means motive opportunity and who actually benefits. Clearly yet another attack by “Muslims” at this point would in no way shape or form benefit “Muslim terrorists”. But it absolutely did benefit Israel and the its proxy the US to renew the attacks in Syria. Attacks which claim to be against “ISIS” but are in fact really against the Syrian government. A government israel has ordered removed in order to install yet another puppet regime in a now destroyed country.
“Muslim terrorists” in a pigs eye. The threat to America and Americans is zionism.
LOL … the Dearborn (muslimville) Conspiracy Theorist … now THAT’s a twist!
THIS WAS A FALSE FLAG. The FBI had him under surveillance? A drill was happening at the same time? Are you hateful vitriolic Muslim haters just stupid or don’t you have any basic analytical skills? No wonder this scenario is repeated over and over. Why spend money on new crisis actors and a new plot, if stupid people jump on the “terrorist” band wagon each time?
These people are being set up. That is why they make sure they are dead. Many universities are picking out foreign students for mind control experiments. It is indeed a sick world now, and the only involvement of Islam is the divide and conquer agenda (driven by our Zionist rulers and overlords) which seems to be working here quite efficiently. I wish the rest of you had the cognitive skills of Ddearborn. She sees what is going on. Please “google” this video to see just how this is done, in an interview of a CIA operative…Robert Duncan and Tyrone Dew Interview on Directed Energy Weapons
If you are a true Muslim, then there is nothing else you can do and that is to murder the infidels.
They were not members of The Irish Republican Army (IRA) or KKK members or any radical right wing militia that would be condemned. as terrorists. The Planned Parent Hood facilities nearby were very safe since Muslims are pro life and really increasing in population because they are adamantly pro-life. I do not think Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, or other religions are beheading or crucifying people. What other religion is enslaving women and young girls? Islam (The Muslim faith’s other name) is not just a religion but a form of government with its own set of laws called Shariah.
God says I am to love and honor all people. I do not question the lord, but how can the muslim people read and worship a book (the quran), that tells them, in several places in the quran, that if, as a muslim, you can not get a person to change his religion to become a muslim, and believe in the religion, that person is an infidel and must be killed. I do not believe the Holy Bible tells me to kill anyone, anywhere in the Good Book. If all muslims worship and believe the quran, how do you tell the difference between a good muslim, and a bad muslim, (Islamic extreamist). As an educated person, it sure make you wonder?
Deuteronomy 17:
2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Want more? I got loads of them. I have a degree in this. Go ahead, test me.
There is only one problem with your quote Moe. You are quoting from the Old Testament when believers were under the law. There is no such reference in the New Testament which is what Christians live by today. The new testament teaches about love, forgiveness, not killing. At least the Christian faith is most definitely a peaceful one (except for any cults or extremists that no true Christian would condone) but the Islam faith is still the same barbaric one, because it was not born of God but of some mortal prophet with his own agenda. There is a difference.
There is only one problem with your quote Moe. You are quoting from the Old Testament when believers were under the law. There is no such reference in the New Testament which is what Christians live by today. The new testament teaches about love, forgiveness, not killing. At least the Christian faith is most definitely a peaceful one (except for any cults or extremists that no true Christian would condone) but the Islam faith is still the same barbaric one, because it was not born of God but of some mortal prophet with his own agenda. There is a difference.
Moe
Since you have a “degree” in religion, you should know that the O.T. Law pointed Israel to understand that forgiveness of sin and living lives pleasing to God could not be obtained through rigid rules and animal sacrifices. God gave them ridiculous laws to prove that they needed a Savior, not rules and regulations. This Savior is Jesus, whom by the way, Orthodox Jews, do not accept as their promised Messiah, therefore they don’t read or acknowledge the N.T. as scripture, but you don’t see them going around stoning people to death or lobbing people’s heads off. This for of punishment haven’t been done in THOUSANDS of years.
If you don’t understand want you are quoting, please stop doing it.
Moe, while you can pull verses that display violence from the Old Testament, surely you can see the violence is punishment for a heanous act whereas the Quran preaches violence simply for disagreeing and not choosing to convert, etc.. It boils down to the difference in ideologies; West – JudeoChristian, violence as punishment for committing unwarranted violence (basically western justice system) VS Middle Eastern – Quran, violence to achieve your goals. Anyone with even a 1/4 of brain can see the difference.
OK Moe … here’s your test. Let’s have one of those quotes of yours come from the NEW Covenant that God made with Man. You DO know what that means, don’t you? It means a quote from AFTER Jesus, the Son of God, became Man with an entirely new message from God to replace the old rules that were made for a more primitive Man … the New Testament.
You’re no Christian religious scholar, that is certain, as you do not come from a Christian’s perspective. And like the muslim cult, you use untruths to attempt to deceive and confuse those who are susceptible. You fool no one who is even just a simple Christian. Your audience is the ignorant and religious newbie. Perhaps you’re a muslime recruiter?
(mainly for) Moe: In reference to your quote of Deuteronomy from the Old Testament:
As you well know, the Muslims’ holy book is the Qur’an; the Jews use the Old Testament (which is also referred to as “the Law”); and the Christians main book is the New Testament. In the Old Testament book of Jeremiah states “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when i will make a new covenant….” (see Jeremiah 31:31-34) (which prophesies the coming of the New Testament). Why? Because Jesus/God new the Old Testament/The Law was to difficult/too rigid…..that no human could adhere to it. Yes, the Old Testament has violence in it….but in Romans 7:6/New Testament states “But now we have been delivered from the law….(referring to the Old Testament). Hebrews (New Testament) 8:13 states: “In that He (Jesus) says,’A new covenant’, He has made the first (Old Testament) obsolete……”. The New Testament in Matthew 5:44 “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you…..”. The Qur’an has no “new part vs. old part” as The Bible has. >>>>Mohammad, the Prophet of Islam/Muslims who is credited for writing the Qur’an (from God)….had a peaceful and loving period at Mecca…..then went to Medina and became a warrior…which both reflect heavily in the Qur’an. >>>Also see Hebrews 8:6-13 plus 9:1-15. And I have many more scriptures from either book if you want them. Peace to you Moe.
Agree with you whole heartedly, P J Dakine.
Moe claims to have a degree in religious studies, but he appears to understand just enough about the Bible to be dangerous. He appears to be clueless about hermeneutics, the study of sound Biblical interpretation. It is sad. His comments are an embarrassment to true Biblical scholarship!
I could write a book at this point, elaborating on what you have said,P J, but must limit myself to just a few comments.
I wonder , is Moe’s Bible missing the New Testament? Does he not know the basic principle of letting the Bible interpret itself? Is he unaware of passages like Hebrews ( in the New Testament) that point out: ” Long ago God spoke many times and in many ways to our ancestors through the prophets. And in these final days, He has spoken to us through His Son” (1.1,2)?
It was this same Jesus who taught, ” You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor ‘ and hate your enemy. But I say , love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you!”(Matth. 5.43,44). This policy of love and non-violence is repeated several times by Jesus and also by the Apostles He commissioned to share the truths He had taught them.
Just as significant is the example Jesus left us: when the people were crucifying Him, He prayed for them, ” Father, forgive them; they know not what they do….”
It has been abundantly clear to true Biblical scholars, whether they be Protestant, Orthodox, or Roman Catholic, over the last 2000 years, that we as Christians must be loving ,peaceful, and non-violent , as Jesus was.
Moe appears to be stuck somewhere in the Old Testament historical books. Now we Christians love and greatly appreciate that book and that history. We can learn much from it. But we also know that we must interpret it by the light of the New Testament. Many times it contains a history of what God told His people to do at a specific time; they are certainly not the final instructions for us who live after the coming of His Son.
Now regarding the violence , the atrocities committed by the Christian Church: these things were done simply because the Church,in general, had strayed, in many ways, in obeying the New Testament. They even burned alive some, like William Tyndale, who were publishing the Bible in the language of the common people! They ignored the fact that the New Testament was written IN the language of the common people of that time- koine Greek.
Moe, I invite you to a whole new course of studies. Read and study the New Testament with an open heart and mind. Consider this: maybe the Apostles of Chrlst really did live with Jesus, hearing Him teach, seeing Him do many miracles; maybe they really did experience Him after He was resurrected from the dead….
If you come to believe them, it will change your life! And as a bonus, the Old Testament will kind of fall in place….!
as you claim it represent only a tiny fraction of the Muslem religion, than it is time for the majority to curb that kind of violence and condemn it very strongly.
I disagree that Muslim do not understand our law. As a matter of fact they do so whell to the point of taking advantage of our good law.
EXACTLY
Moe-hammid is a jack ass. Isolated in his thinking and probably affectionate to the Muslim faith. His ideas of ‘get along’ are so infintile that it cannot be correct.
We have to hit and hit hard the muslims here and the expected importation of muslim Obama
and his faith followers. 10,000 new muslims. Puke.
JH
There are 1,8 billion Muslims in the world! The best ittelligence in the world states that roughly 180 to 300 million of them are Radical Islamist jihadists who wanted to kill American Christians and Jews! They chant death to America and death to Israel eveyday! Wake up America before it is too late to save this once great country! Obama has created this whole mess because of his failure to lead and his sympathy towards Muslims! Of course, he admits he is a Muslim!
Time to make sure we know who is in the United States, where they are at and what they are doing?
Washington needs to made sure our laws are enforced and our borders secure!
Owned and operated by Obama and the United States Senate and Hillary Clinton
The Muslims or the Blacks or the Mexican Gangs, it will not matter what the excuse is. The facts are that the Federal Reserve is not a US Government Federal entity, it is only European Bankers started by a Roosevelt back in the 1930’s to bail out the country. Obama and all those before him have spent all the money and are now printing worthless money. The only possibility now to bail us out is the IMF, International Monetary Fund. They may or may not but it comes with Communist influence. We will lose sovereignty.The reason Congress has done nothing as they know these facts, but do not want to give up their lifestyle. They are screened all the way from Governors to Senators to Congress so that they will go along to get along, rubber stamping while talking a different story in front of the cameras. When they vote you will see their voting record relatively hidden. To stay in power both parties support the existing administration.
The trillions of debt has gotten out of control, so now the plan is to shut down the country, and declare martial law, disarm and either abdicate or become king, princes and Queen?. Terrorism is the quickest excuse, but it could be anything from a bomb to a revolution.
A solution would be to hire more policemen who have military experience and allow them to carry automatic weapons,along with eliminating “gun free zones”,yeah,every time these thugs do this it is in an area where the people are completely defenseless.A military trained police force would know the tendency of these cowards.
A solution would be to hire more policemen who have military experience and allow them to carry automatic weapons,along with eliminating “gun free zones”,yeah,every time these thugs do this it is in an area where the people are completely defenseless.A military trained police force would know the tendency of these cowards.
The only “religious” group that has remained in the dark ages since conception is Islam. Others have moved forward with time, understanding and belief.
Yeah, lots of understanding being offered by the posters here! TIC
So, next year, y’all, vote for the party that feeds your hate. With your help,
perhaps that party can create an ‘every man for himself’ theocracy here
in the USA.
In case you forget, one of the most important tenets of our beloved
Consitution is separation of church and state. Please don’t forget that.
And don’t worry about your government (chosen by you) when they decide
to do away with social security, medicare, and unemployment insurance.
And don’t forget the ‘right to bear arms’. Back in the day those arms were
muskets. And today, I guess that means I can own my own bazooka or
whatever I want.
Sure, why not?
Gene,
My understanding is that NOWHERE in the United States Constitution does it say anything about a separation of church and state. That phrase originated in a letter from President Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists reassuring them that a different denomination of Christianity was not going to be made the State denomination, because the Constitution’s first amendment prohibits the favor of a DENOMINATION. (Realize that at the time of America’s founding, there were really only various denominations of Christianity, referred to as ‘religions’ back then. This is a highly provable point from documents of the time.) They had some disagreements, and did not want the denominational conflicts that occurred in England to occur in the new country. However, the words “The laws of nature and the laws of nature’s God” DO appear in the Declaration of Independence. The Judaic-Christian Many references to a non-denominational (but understood to be Christian because that’s all there was) God appear in founding documents, and both Christian prayer and appeals made to God are ubiquitous in primary sources, including transcripts of governmental meetings, from that time.
You are guilty of that common error: interpreting the documents and events in an historical context through your current lens of experience and culture bias. The infant America did not have a broad mix of religions, but various Christian denominations that were referred to in the language of the time as “religions”. I feel the need to stress that twice because it is such a common misunderstanding made by persons who have either:
1) never actually read or studied the U.S. Constitution and Declaration of Independence, let alone other documents, letters, or transcripts of the time (BUT JUST LOOOOOVE TO QUOTE THEM OR MAKE STATEMENTS FROM THEM THAT THEY DON”T KNOW ARE FALSE)
2) have an emotional or political axe to grind and rather NOT know the truth about history because it might disable their ability to create the false historical premise that they want soooo badly
I hope that it is just lazy scholarship on your part and not actual intent to mislead the uninformed when you go inserting words into the Founder’s mouths that never were there.
May the Lord increase your knowledge.
Muslims are terrorists. Obama says: OH – MY shooters. Where did they come from? Lame brain Obama let them in.
There was no argument he was casing the target to see how soft it was. Second the shooter worked with these people for five years and then one day in obedience to Islam he killed the infadals.
Is it only ISIS Islamic Terrorists working alone? Or is it the CIA and FBI using them to further Obamas gun control agenda?
Banning guns would not have stopped this. The guns were obtained legally. Maybe if someone in the room had a gun, this might never happened or if so, to a much smaller degree.
This article is worth a read:
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/6073/what-is-salafism-and-should-we-be-worried-by-it
Nothing’s been confirmed yet…. Obama’s already on the bandwagon to disarm America. Perhaps HE was in on this plot…
Anyone remember that peaceful moslem DC sniper of 2002?
Moe, you are a liar. I lived and worked in Saudi Arabia for years. They hate
all christian people and they are taught to hate us from the cradle to the grave. I have a feeling you are one of them. You don’t fool me one bit. Their Quoran calls for them to kill all non believers.
Yeah Moe is one of them Jason.
This is worth a read:
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/6073/what-is-salafism-and-should-we-be-worried-by-it
Heres the Deal …. These terrorists were wearing Go-Pro Body Cameras , so that means they wanted to Video tape YOUR BLOOD RUNNING ALL OVER THE FLOOR , THE QUESTION IS WHO ARE THEY TRYING TO IMPRESS WITH THAT VIDEO ??????????
And thats AFTER they were thrown a BABY SHOWER PARTY BY THESE SAME PEOPLE THEY SLAUGHTERED , it don’t get any worse than this kind of IDEOLOGY people , we are at WAR !!!!!!!!! http://nypost.com/2015/12/03/muslim-newlyweds-slaughter-coworkers-who-threw-them-a-baby-shower/
AND GIVEN THAT KIND OF IDEOLOGY IS WHY WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO BE ARMED 24-7 , SORRY HILARY AND OBAMA BUT EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE READY and maybe that will deter these Fanatics !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This sheriff says ARM YOURSELF and I agree 110 % , Wisconsin sheriff’s warning: Arm yourself, we might not get there in time , http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0128/Wisconsin-sheriff-s-warning-Arm-yourself-we-might-not-get-there-in-time
I began to arrive at the terrorist conclusion this morning when I saw how Matt Lauer managed to talk around the issue. The liberals will try to use this incident to press for gun control, but it is likely these terrorists would not have been stopped by increased gun regulations. The fact they had several explosive devices with them indicates they would have carried out their evil plan even if they would not have had access to guns.
There needs to be a full investigation. The truth needs to be found and it needs to be released. I’m going to guess the media and the Obama administration are not going to be willing to investigate this or release the truth. This attack will likely back up the concerns of most Americans and will show the foolishness of President Obama’s immigration and refugee efforts.
A muslim name buying massive guns, ammo shipped to california! Wtf FBI asleep?
2% of usa population does majoruty of hatecrime (towards anyone not muslim- wheres the left on this?)
Obama cant talk after a muslim kills but he has a beer summit for a professor who refuses to ahiw ID!
We need a leader who has juevos!
Not a community organizer with redacted past.
The do called wife came from saudi arabia? Who vetted her?
Then our so called political leaders want to allow hundreds of thousands of refugees into this nation. Haters who are every inch a danger to the world as were the Japanese and Germans of 75 years ago. Our politicians and texting, tweeting reality show watching citizens think that ignoring this severe problem is good. This is such a sad era.
Has the Nation taken their eyes off the Dec.11th vote to give Obama carte blanche authority (fund, give all government benefits to and bring in thousands of Syrian Refugees)? What will happen tomorrow to take the eyes of America off the Dec. 11th vote?
This will only inflame those who are against taking refugees in the USA, The good people of the muslin religion are not the cause. We must tighten up our entry requirements to check all who want entry into the America. This means all people who want entry into America. Not just the muslins.
Most all the Terrorism committed since 1972 at the Munich Olympic Games was by Muslims, mostly Arabs. Remember Mass Shootings around the world (at the Italy Airport, and France the most recent one), the Hi-jacking of Planes, Hi-jacking of a Cruise Ship, Planes being Blown up, Planes being purposely crashed into Mountains and in the Ocean, Muslims blowing themselves up in Public places and the HATE they spread around to other “STUPID” YOUNG Muslims who have been taught this CRAP since they said their first words, and don’t know anything about the western world. One thing they do teach the boys is, that “ALL” Western Women are “WHORES”. This is the reason why they don’t have a problem to rape and abuse Western Women. Islam is “NOT” a religion, it is an “EVIL CULT” with “EVIL BELIEFS & PRACTICES” The only they fear is being covered by pork products. I believe that we should make it clear to them that “ALL of our Ammo is Laced with PORK BLOOD and BY-PRODUCTS and if WE bury them, they will be covered with Pork blood or By-Products. They believe that they would NOT go to Heaven if they have pork in or on them. So we should QUIT PUSSYFOOTING AROUND, and go after them with this stuff, put the Fear of ALLAH in them. Blow them ALL back to hell which is where they belong. And let’s put the Political Correct people (who are IDIOTS) in with them.
That’s bullshit
Scratch that b s comment Mark it was meant for moe
Like trump said kill them and their families, problem solved
You can’t tell which ones are good or bad. If they really want to stay in this country then they should take a stand and turn the bad ones in. If they would do that then we wouldn’t be afraid of them all. If they don’t then we have no choice but to check them closer. They can stop this. Taking the guns won’t do anything but make us less safe.
Muslims have no place in the U.S send them all back get rid of them all. We don’t need their kind here !!!!!!!!!! PS take Obama with them.
I believe that we must not be afraid of what had come to pass. Muslims are humans, too. Made of flesh and blood just like us. If we sow hatred for them, we are doing it to ourselves, too. Killing does not help. But love does. Christians and others who belong to religious groups do engage in atrocities, too. It does make one sect better than the others. I can’t say any better than loving those who hate us. I believe that one does not get attack if you don’t attack first. It starts within us – just one person. We have to look into ourselves and try to eradicate our prejudices and hatred. I know it is better said than done. It takes a lot of grit for oneself to turn around but it is worth it because when one does, the vibration of who you are spreads around.
I hope that you are just kidding around, because if you are not you are the only one fooled by what you just wrote.
So would you mind proving that there are Christians running amuck and beheading people for refusing to convert to Christianity ? How about putting folks in cages and drowning them for not converting or throwing them off of roof tops for being homosexual? It seems to me that there is only one “religion” that is involved in perpetrating these atrocities.
The unfortunate truth is that the religion of Islam is 100% responsible for this act of terror, just the same as the attack in France, you cannot separate them. The Quran teaches all Muslims to be subject to the society in which they live, lie about what they believe until the day comes that they can subdue and overtake the society, enforcing their perverted and evil thoughts on the people along with a law system that is fraught with corruption, deceit, outright lies, etc. on the land. That law they call Sharia, read it, very perverted and insane.
What really gets me about this whole thing is that nobody was prepared, they said that they did live shooter drills every month, but I didn’t hear the press talk about how many, if any, people returned fire in an effort to protect themselves and others and minimize collateral damage. Not sure but may have been another one of those “gun free zones”, yea they really work out don’t they.
If something like that ever happens at my workplace there would be so much return fire that two attackers would be neutralized in a matter of seconds, can’t count on law enforcement to take care of you when you are dead. People stand up and protect yourself, only sheep are happily lead to their own slaughter and that is what our government is asking us to be. Be ready to protect yourself the best that you can, no government official will, for sure.
Pray that this doesn’t happen again, but with 10,000,000 Muslims in the country I am afraid that it will start becoming a regular event.
To Young American:
You are very sensible.
From an old Canadian. Best to you.
I am wondering WHY are the officials trying to hide this information to protect obamas reputation? He has no reputation other than being a deceitful liar.
It takes over two years to vetted a Syrian refugee. Please do not bring any of this refuges
before the presidential elections. 10,000 is small number compare with the one million that Germany and other European are taken. Take the 10,000 Syrian refuege to Guantanamo Bay and keep then there until the war in Syria is over. After the war is over, send them back to Syria.
US is member of NATO. NATO is taking millions of Syrian refugees. So, 10,000 is a token, compare what Germany and France are doing. Xenophobia and fears have been fan out by politicians own political purposes. Take the 10,000 to Guantanamo and not to the US. At one time during the Clinton Administration, Guantanamo was holding 200,000 Cuban refugees.
So Guantanamo can handle 10,000 refugees. Keep them safe in Guantanamo and send them back after the war is over.
That’s a great idea Anthony. I would rather supply them with the humanitarian aid somewhere other than within the USA where they can do the least amount of damage and no one can say we didn’t help. Surprising you haven’t heard any of the GOP candidates offer this as a suggestion. After all, why is it so pertinent they come to the USA as long as they’re safe and looked after? Would it be because otherwise OB can’t build his army?
One more time. Why are the officials trying to hide this information from the public they are very quiet?
The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S. Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
Think of it:
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM
********** So This Leads To *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
They’re not happy in Nigeria
They’re not happy in Kenya
They’re not happy in Sudan
******** So, what do they do? They move. To where? **********
Australia
England
Belgium
France
Italy
Germany
Sweden
USA
Canada
Norway
India
They move to countries that are not Islamic!
Are they happy there?
*************NO****************
And who do they blame? Not Islam… Not their leadership… Not themselves,
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY MOVE TO !!
And they want to change the countries they moved to into exactly like the country they moved from ……
Islamic Jihad:AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS : AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!
And We just can’t figure out who’s causing the problem.
Oh, but they are “THE RELIGION OF PEACE “
SPOT ON DREW…!! COULDN’T AGREE MORE….!!!
Well said Drew! Thanks for giving undisputable logic proof needed to show who these people are.
The first time someone shows you who they are, believe them!
I agree with you Drew,your comment is the best,is very real..But what we have to do ,is starting sending letters to our paliticians in Washington,asking for an impeachment to our President,beacause is doing nothing,to terminate with ISIS
And Obama supports most of them.
Moe,
I do not have a degree in religious studies but have read the Bible, all of it, for 45 years. There is no scholar, either Christian or Jewish, who would apply the text from Deuteronomy you quoted to mean that God tells Christans or Jews to kill those who don’t share their beliefs. To do so would twist the plain meaning of a specific instruction intended for Israelites who deliberately broke the Mosaic law. (The instructions in the Pentateuch to kill populations in the promised land were also very targeted.) So to quote this as an example of the “violence” taught in the Bible is disingenuous, to say the least. By contrast, lots of Muslim scholars use the Koran to advocate violence against infidels.
A Muslim family lives next door to us. Their children are delightful, and the man is very friendly and pleasant. I can’t talk with his wife because she speaks little or no English. He grew up in the U.S. but went to Yemen to marry. She doesn’t drive and associates with no one but other Muslims, whom I can easily identify by the way they dress. Another Muslim family has been living with them for many months. The husband, who at least was running a business when they moved in, has not been in his house since early last summer. There is no other man in the house. It is all very strange. I do not assume that they have terrorist sympathies, but I would be a fool to assume they do not. I simply observe and withhold judgment. Since taqiyya is standard Muslim teaching, I certainly can’t trust that the man is as nice as he seems.
Have you contacted Homeland Security? They will check them out and alleviate your fears or them.
When are we going to hear from Obama and Hillary about how this isn’t really islamic terrorism or that it’s the Christians’ fault because we won’t bow to islam?
Obama just hired a terrorist sympathizer to be in the lead of his ISIS group. I guess to help them!
SORRY…, BUT ALL Muslims are POTENTIAL TERRORISTS….!! Their CULTURE is that way and it is bred into them…PERIOD….! THEY CANNOT be trusted and SHOULD NOT BE HERE in the UNITED STATES…..!!
This is difficult. This specific incident is a tragedy and I have extreme sympathy for the victims’ friends and families.
Since we are all sinners and fall short of what we should be doing, it’s hard to point fingers and judge. BUT, whether Muslim, Catholic, Jewish or Baptist (please forgive that I have not mentioned every Spiritual persuasion) these actions are carried out by individuals, regardless of any group affiliation, that do NOT believe in God! BOLD statement, yes it is; but if anyone truly believes in God, they will know the love of God and could not do these evil things. Considering all the suggestions and recommendations to remedy these situations, I challenge, we must pray to God that these individuals will come to know God. As by knowing the love of God this will end. These are all cultural issues that have been fostered by hatred and cannot be ended by killing people – the hatred must be ended.
Rationalists and Atheists can also be included, except, in their case, just being human should be sufficient for them to respect other individuals.
Ken,
You are a looney. These are not individuals randomly killing people. They are on a mission, If you do not believe in their god you are an infidel and are subject to die by the hand of their god’s disciples. You are buying that garbage that our government hands out that these are work place or isolated incidents. They are not. It is not Italians, Irish, Indians, Russians, Christians, Jews, Hindus, or atheists killing Americans. It is muslims killing Americans that do not believe in their muslim god.
Any people who kill in the name of their god are bad. A true God that teaches love and give onto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s does not need man to kill in his name. His is all powerful and can do all the punishing on his own.
The stupidity and irrational bigotry that fill so many of these comments is giving The Horn News an image of being a place where ignorant and inflammatory racism is commonplace.
People seem to forget the millions of people who have been killed by the Christian movement over the centuries….killing in the name of God.Anyone remember the Holy Crusades when Christian kings sent their soldiers to plunder and kill throughout the mideast ? What about the missionaries and the Catholic church who believed that if ‘savages’ could not be converted to Christianity then they must be enslaved or killed ? Remember the “good Christians” who burned people at the stake for witchcraft and the hysteria of that era ? What about the Catholic church’s Inquisition period when innocents were tortured and killed in the name of God ? How many wars have we waged against others because we thought them Godless and less than us ?
How man y people and countries have we enslaved and used for our own ends while leaving them impoverished ? It still goes on today ! And, how many times have we invaded or interfered with other nations because we wanted to control their future and our access to their oil, their gold, silver, and such, and their political framework.
Our hands are not clean and Moe Verner made an intelligent and sensible observation, whether you agree with it or not.
Robin Kilgore ( note to self – do not mention his name !) – you made an excellent observation
Bringing the matter up to date, in Northern Ireland we recently had 30 years of one Christian sect killing and maiming another!
When it comes to actual terrorism, it is clear that most of us are completely horrified by the ghastly beheadings and crucifixions and throwing gays from tall buildings etc.undertaken by ISIS.
However, from the civilians point of view, a bomb dropped, small or big, dropped from an aircraft will not only kill people, but often leave many more people limbless or injured, to die slowly in pain of remain disabled until they die. Those civilians may be babies, children or men and women not in any way voluntarily related to terrorism.
If it comes to “sending them home” perhaps the original native residents of North America and Canada might have some views on this!
Robin,
We have grown allot since the Crusades. We have learned how to cure diseases, put man into outer space. Forgive the Germans for killing over 6 million jews. And now live peacefully among each other.
According to your writing, because sometime in ancient history there were radicals who did bad things it is acceptable for people of todays time to do the same thing.
Grow up and realize we can not dwell on the past and must look to the future to become a more productive and flourishing people.
SO MUCH FOR OUT INTELLIGENCE GATHERING AT HOME.
60 BILLION DOLLARS/YEAR FOR OUR IDIOTS AT HOMELAND SECURITY
THEY ALL OUGHT TO GET FIRED STARTING AT THE TOP.
The shame of it is the FBI was watching this guy. If I was them I would not have admitted to that.
Time to send them all back were then came from and take back are country
AGREE.
I can’t understand why anyone would think that a non radical Moslem would have any more opportunity to turn a terrorist in than any of you. How would they know of them? I thought this site would give an insight into US thoughts on present situations and people would be able to give opinions and have a sensible debate. But if anyone disagrees with the idea that Moslems are not all the enemy, you accuse the person of being one, or tell them to get back to another country! It’s so childish. Why didn’t Christians stop the atrocities of the Ku Klux Klan in the US? They must have known who they were. Or do you all think it would be a good thing to have more of now. The person that said any radical , Moslem, Christian, Conservative, is dangerous, is right. Yes changes have to be implemented to ensure our
countries’ values are respected, but that has nothing to do with Islam. That has to do with our politics.
@Judy, The real question is why didn’t the Democrats Stop the KKK since it was the Dems that gave birth to the KKK? Check you history. The KKK was brought into being by Christianity but by Democrats that wanted to continue to oppress Blacks, Asians and others.
Judy,
You are so naive. History repeats itself. Germany thought it was superior to others. You do not see Christians killing other Christians or Hindus or Jews or muslims in this country. It is muslims that are out to kill anyone that does not believe in their religion. The irony is they kill each other if they are not from their own sect of Sunni or whatever.
You will grow up when someone you love or know dies at the hands of these satanistic people.
More of O’bama’s MUSLIM TERRORIST BUDDIES in America! & Millions more to go!
We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities,powers,and spiritual wickedness in high places.We better get on our knees and pray or Jeremiah 51&52 will happen.If my people will humble themselves and ask for forgiveness I will forgive them it is time for America to wake up..
We need a bill to amend the Constitution that if a Religion promotes death or violence it would not be protected under the freedom of Religion Act. Islam should not have the protection it has in this country. It will always clash with the majority of the citizens here. It is not what we were built on and will cause civil unrest. What happened in San Berdu will only continue. Yes he was a citizen born here but also raised Muslim.
This is really a polarizing event. Cool heads must prevail. Not every Muslim is a terrorists & certainly the US State Dept,, Dept of Defense, corporations, etc., has been dabbling in the affairs of Arab nations for decades.w/out their consent or approval. No one can deny this. The lesson here for the American people is to insist that our “leaders” abandon their attempts at “regime change” via military engagement, acknowledge their wrong-doing, & then provide compensation for all damages we have inflicted on these poor people. The litmus test for the US, a super-power professing to be “Christian” is to walk a path of peace & conciliation. Then we can win their hearts & minds of those who now see us a wicked invaders bent on destroying their Islamic way of life. We must find a way to transform our enemies into friends. And that calls for an open-minded, compassionate, humble, loving, & above all a wise approach. Can America do this? Do we have a leadership w/the heart & intelligence to pull this off? For all of our sake, I hope so.
I have a problem with the term assault rifle. I think they need to define whether or not these were automatic or semi automatic weapons. The typical semi auto weapon available to the general public that looks like an assault weapon is not technically one.
Assault weapons are used by the military and police and differ in how they function from the civilian models. Civilian models do not have a selector switch for 3 round auto fire. I was surprised to see the police officer in the newscast refer to them as assault rifles so I would like a clarification of what exactly they were using.
Also, please note how there have been more mass shooting under the Obama Administration than any other Administration in History. Could it be the lying, divisiveness and anti American sentiment encouraged by our Emperor Obama?????
Judging from the amount of firearms and ammo they had stashed, they probably had a larger group in mind to help them, but for some reason, they decided to act on their own. There are probably others out there that were part of their group that needs to be found.
All I know is I’m going to avoid all that look like Muslims to me. There is no possible way that you can tell if they’re radicalized or not.
Their culture does not mesh with our culture, When most muslims come to America, they do not consider themselves Americans, they live in their own muslim world and have no desire to be Americans, it is more like they bring their country over here. The US is nothing but a hub for them.
we need some like donald trump he will put a stop to this
But I guarantee you that the idiot lying POS POTUS will say it was just “work place disagreement.
Well this is what HUSSEIN OBAMA wants to happen these types of attacks just help his agenda to SHOVE GUN CONFISCATION DOWN OUR THROATS LIKE HE DID HIS MAGNIFICENT OBAMA CARE. This so it will be safe for his PEACEFUL ISLAMIC ISIS BROTHERS to TAKE OVER and in his feeble mind INSTALL HIM AS DICTATOR when ISIS will ACTUALLY CHOP HIS HEAD OFF AND DISPLAY IT FOR ALL TO SEE.!!
It’s interesting to see people separate radical Islamic terrorists from so called moderate muslims. They both read and believe the same literature; they both treat females the same doggish way; they are both is a competitive life and death struggle to eliminate Christianity and Judaism from the face of the earth — ISIS is less patient than less radicalized factions; but the goal is the same. That makes no sense.
Does any one actually believe that moderate muslims would be against a caliphate set up by ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc., in the US?
If the president can look at this latest massacre and mumble something about, it may not be terrorism, and people
cannot or will not see that there is something seriously wrong with that administration, there is nothing that will convince them of the slippery slope they are being led down.
I AM OFFENDED AT YOUR USE OF THE PHRASE, “MUSLIM TERRORISTS!”
(Not because it’s wrong, but simply because it’s so darned redundant LOL)!
It appears that it is not the guns which kill Americans but the people behind them. Politicians who rush into the political vacuum cause a diatribe of disharmony in misunderstanding the problem of the current murders abounding in America today. Immigration is not the problem, nor are the guns. There are laws on the books to control it; the problem is the politicians who ignore the laws or prefer to rewrite their own interpretations of it to fit their own political agendas. Mr. Trump may not have all the answers, but he is honest and does not take funds from lobbyists who control manifestly the politics of Washington. My prediction is that the educated voters will overcome the present regime of socialism in America rebounding in a well-rounded and enlightened administration, one that is not subservient to the whims of the polls. May I quote R. B. Hayes, “He serves his party best who serves the country best,” Inaugural Address.
Hey Judy… you are without a doubt a Zionist and a liberal, commie thinker at best… You are propagandized and as Michael Savage says on the radio ” Liberalism is a Mental Disease” … There in lies the problem for this country… along with MUZZIE TERRORISTS… Hope you are young so you can see the day when all of the white women of the once great america wear full burkhas..Thanks to your types….
Because the Obama Administration won’t do it, the next president must immediately suspend the USA Visa, Refugee and Immigration programs for a period of one year or until the FBI Counter Terrorism Units can catch up and locate all possible Terrorist and Terrorist Threats now located in the USA. The FBI must be authorized to hire additional agents as quickly as possible and also be authorize to swear in other Federal, State and Local Law Enforcement personnel to assist in Counter Terrorism efforts and activities until the FBI is fully staffed up to meet current needs. US Marshalls, ICE Agents, and others could be given the oath.
Also the next president must submit a bill to congress that will revise the current immigration, visa and refugee policies and regulations in favor of persons that will blend in with other US citizens, and believe in the freedom of religion and of people. This country does not need people who want to setup their own cult here in the USA.
I agree. We restricted passage to and from CUBA for decades and they never attacked the USA.
When will the people that belong to these mosques start turning in those who have change their demeanor?
They will not; because in their thinking a bad muslim is better than a good Christian/Hindu/Jew/Atheist
America needs to wake up and learn from Europe, France in particular. if you keep letting them in, be prepared to face the music in some years to come. forget all these talk of ”not all are bad”..they all have the POTENTIAL..
by the way, Christians: when last did you talk to anyone about Jesus? in France, i heard a minister say that 7,000 persons were under surveillance for radicalism..and out of these people, 40% of them were Christians who converted to Islam. what does that tell you. we christians are really lazy while they are really busy! it is just a matter of time before they will lead America (it is already happening). in my own opinion, America is just too liberal..and it comes with consequences. France is facing its own, Britain should brace up. Christians, wake up. Americans, wake up!
ISIS is doing a great Job. Get non-muslims to hate muslims.
It is muslims killing good people here in the USA. Not Italians, Irish, Indian, Christians, Hindu, and such. It is muslims killing people who do not believe in their religion.
Sorry Just the FACTS!
Most interesting thread I have followed an a long time. Lots of commentary right on point. Good old USA better educated than I thought. In the waning months of this failed presidential experiment I ask myself, “where are the 51% that asked for it?”. I just see the FBI finally decided this is an act of terrorism. How many days has that taken them? Simple process: If it looks, smells, tastes it almost has to be don’t it. What is going on????