The four remaining holdouts in the eastern Oregon wildlife refuge standoff have announced their plans to surrender to authorities this morning, potentially ending the protest that claimed the life of one militiaman.
But tensions are still running high after the FBI’s aggressive move to arrest rancher Cliven Bundy last night — who led a Nevada standoff with federal officers in 2014 and who is also the father of the jailed leader of the Oregon standoff.
The four occupiers yelled at officers to back off and prayed with supporters over an open phone line as the standoff played out on the Internet Wednesday night via a phone line being livestreamed by an acquaintance of occupier David Fry.
Fry, 27, of Blanchester, Ohio, sounded increasingly unraveled as he continually yelled, at times hysterically, at what he said was an FBI negotiator. “You’re going to hell. Kill me. Get it over with,” he said. “We’re innocent people camping at a public facility, and you’re going to murder us.”
“The only way we’re leaving here is dead or without charges,” Fry said, who told the FBI to “get the hell out of Oregon.”
Fry and the three others are the last remnants of a group led by Ammon Bundy that seized the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge on Jan. 2 to oppose federal land-use policies. The three others are Jeff Banta, 46, of Elko, Nevada; and married couple Sean Anderson, 48, and Sandy Anderson, 47, of Riggins, Idaho.
Fry said Wednesday the group was surrounded by armored vehicles.
Cliven Bundy, the father of occupation leader Ammon Bundy, flew into Portland International Airport Wednesday night and was arrested by authorities. He was booked into the lockup just before 11 p.m. according to Multnomah County Jail records.
The 74-year-old Nevadan was at the center of the standoff with federal officials over use of public lands. The Oregonian reports he now faces a conspiracy charge of interfering with a federal officer related to that standoff at his ranch.
The FBI confirmed Cliven Bundy’s was taken into federal custody but declined to provide a reason or other details, saying further information would be released by the U.S. Attorney’s office in Las Vegas, which did not respond to a phone call early Thursday.
Ammon Bundy had been demanding that the Oregon refuge be handed over to locals.
Sean Anderson said late Wednesday he spoke with the FBI and that he and the three other holdouts would turn themselves in at a nearby FBI checkpoint at 8 a.m. Thursday.
“We’re not surrendering, we’re turning ourselves in. It’s going against everything we believe in,” he said.
Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge of the FBI in Oregon, said in a statement the situation had reached a point where it “became necessary to take action” to ensure the safety of all involved.
Bretzing said one of the occupiers rode an ATV outside “the barricades established by the militia” at the refuge. When FBI agents tried to approach the driver, Fry said he returned to the camp at a “high rate of speed.”
The FBI placed agents at barricades ahead of and behind the occupier’s camp, Bretzing said.
“It has never been the FBI’s desire to engage these armed occupiers in any way other than through dialogue, and to that end, the FBI has negotiated with patience and restraint in an effort to resolve the situation peacefully,” he said in a statement.
Authorities had for weeks allowed the occupiers to come and go freely from the remote refuge, leading to criticism from local and state officials that law enforcement wasn’t doing enough to end the situation.
Ammon Bundy and others were arrested Jan. 26 on a remote road outside the refuge, but the four holdouts remained.
On Wednesday night Sandy Anderson said after the group was surrounded: “They’re threatening us. They’re getting closer. I pray that there’s a revolution if we die here tonight.”
Her husband, Sean Anderson, said in the livestream: “We will not fire until fired upon. We haven’t broken any laws, came here to recognize our constitutional rights.”
The occupiers said they saw snipers on a hill and a drone.
The standoff was occurring on the 40th day of the occupation, launched by Bundy and his followers to protest prison terms for two local ranchers on arson charges and federal management of public lands.
Bundy was arrested last month as he and other main figures of the occupation were traveling to the town of John Day. Four others were also arrested in that confrontation, which resulted in the shooting death of the group’s spokesman, Robert “LaVoy” Finicum. The FBI said Finicum was reaching for a gun.
Most of the occupiers fled the refuge after that. Authorities then surrounded the property and later got the holdouts added to an indictment charging 16 people with conspiracy to interfere with federal workers.
At first, Bundy urged the last holdouts to go home. But in response to the grand jury indictment, he took a more defiant tone from jail.
The Associated Press contributed to this article.
I hope it doesn’t happen, but I look for the fbi to stage an incident where they can kill all the people there. The feds are looking more & more like the gest*po every day.
Currently their guns are in their vehicle for the FBI and they are unarmed and waiting for Franklin Graham to arrive and he and legislative lady they’ve been talking with can meet them at the check point and they can walk out to them .
So as of now they are unarmed, if something happens its the FBIs fault
Finnicum was not armed when he got out of the vehicle with his arms raised. They shot him multiple times, and then said they found a “stolen gun” on his person. Standard dirty cop trick. When they kill some unarmed civilian they use what is called a “throwdown weapon” to give cover for their murder charge.
Let’s not forget the video that clearly showed Finnicum’s vehicle running past roadblocks and him only getting out when the vehicle got stuck going around a roadblock. Had he kept his hands in the air he’d have been fine. Given his past speech and statements, he brought his death on himself.
According to personal audio accounts … Finnicum’s car and occupants were shot at before they had a chance to get out of the car and only at that point did they drive away to try to escape the bullets.
He dropped his arms to get his balance while trying to stand on a snow bank. This was cold blooded murder and an FBI cover up plain and simple.
Hey 915, do you think that just maybe Finicum ran because he smelled a setup and feared for his life? Is that possible? I saw him step out of his stalled SUV, just like you did, but, like me, you have absolutely no clue why his hands dropped down toward his midsection. Was it due to the possibility that stress had caused some sort of internal medical episode? Was it possibly a heart attack? Was it possibly that he had already been shot in the abdomen? No pal. You don’t know and neither do I. And until we find out why don’t you put a sock in it?
You are an idiot and when they come for you…..good luck.
ECC19 that video shows him running to the side of the blockade after he had been shot! He was shot multiple times, even before he exited his vehicle. He in no way tried to run the blockade it was an ambush plain and simple.
He came around a turn in the road fast and had to go out into the snow to avoid hitting the cars in the blockade. His arms were in the air until he was shot in the stomach from someone standing in back of his car. (No sound on the videos to hear the gun shot, but he yelled “He shot me! He put his hand down to where he has been shot. Then the guy on the other side of him then shot him several times! Those in the car will tell you this is what happened, plus they riddled the car with bullets with the two women in the car!) To cover themselves they then planted a gun on LaVoy that had been stolen two years ago. Those with him said he was unarmed, left all their weapons behind. It was cold blooded murder and they should be held accountable!
Bullshit! A citizen of this country NEVER brings death on himself/herself when unarmed and has only used his First Amendment rights. Good god, what are we becoming? Let’s NOT let the Feds get away with this!
Documents show the gun was used a year or two earlier in a different crime . Serial # matched .Please Hornnews, get all your facts before twisting the situation .
I don’t think the FBI will murder anyone else as they can not account for the other murder.
Sure they can. They do just about anything they want anytime.
These are not only militia, but they are also ISIS operating in this country. They are lucky to be White males. If they were they Black males they would have been snapped in jip. Now you see how justice is given to Blacks and Whites.
That is a bunch of crap! This issue is ranchers rights versus Federal departments like BLM and others. COLOR HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ! Stop trying to divisively insert race cards and stand for who you are and not what color you are.
Illinois Bob I fully agree with you. This is Not about color but about Constitutional Rights.
It’s about color for Masanja Balele. When it rains, it’s because he’s black. If he doesn’t pay his electric bill and he’s cut off, it’s not because he didn’t pay the bill. It’s because he’s black. So ignore him. He’s got more trouble with his own mind than he can handle.
Tell me who they killed or terrorized it’s about your rights not about race.
What a load of crap! You must be one of the sheeple with their head in the sand blindly believing what they want you too. It really is sad we have folks like you here. The FBI murdered LaVoy. His hands were up when he was shot that so called reach was an instinctive hand to a gun shot. Then two more shots to kill him. This government needs a cleansing and the people are the only ones to do it. We need to take control of the country again. This is why we have the 2nd amendment to protect against government overreach and tyranny. ISIS fighters my ass. These are American Patriots fighting against a government that will not be satisfied until they control every aspect of our lives.
well said, its the horrible truth.
I agree, well said. Spoken like a true patriot.
Yes, AMERICANS trying to stand up will be mowed down like RUBY RIDGE. They can just relax bc the NEXT thing corrupt lefties will require is NO MORE AMMO PRODUCTION.
Sometimes there ARE injustices like Waco or Ruby Ridge and other times there are nutcases who bring their troubles on themselves. All the people involved in these current episodes are nutcases, pure and simple.
You are the nut case!
You are at the very least ignorant. Dangerously so… What happened at Waco was a Federal govt trying to create a pretext to pass the Brady bill by invading private property and attacking private citizens. And this episode in Oregon is a long time coming. Local folks have been fighting with the Feds for decades, and the Feds just ignore the will of the local folks . These episodes that are talked here are the reason that we have the 2nd amendment. Oregon and Waco are different on that in Waco the Feds came out of no where even after the local sheriff said all you have to do is go knock on the door, not invade them. The Feds were warned what would happen if they went on with there guns and invasion tactics. Our state government should have more to help protect its citizenry . Oregon should have done the same.
An authoritarian tyrannical government is what we have. One thing in common between Waco and Oregon… A Democratic controlled Executive Branch. Very dangerous .
Danny you are so full of it. If it needs to go back to the people it should be the Indians
True That!
I totally agree
What work is being done in Burns, Oregon in January at BLM. Is it worth a life or defending? If the Federal Government never showed up the whole issue would have hibernated like a bear in winter. I’m sure that there is very little happening in Burns BLM area this time of year. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT eventually will be replaced with people that are going to defend the American Constitution or we are going to be distorted from within our own borders. Wake up people we must stand up, not with guns but in numbers. THIS IS OUR LAND, YOURS AND MINE ! Who is the group that is trying to take this country over? Little by little we are loosing, have you heard about the frog that was put in a pot of water soon the water was nice and warm soon he was cooked and never knew, he had been tricked. It has been a slow process, but think of all the changes! They are all blamed on the attacks of 9/11/01. For that matter who was behind 911 do you know or do we only know what they want us to know. I feel betrayed, worse than that I feel lied too. Our government lies so much to us that they don’t know when and if they actually telling the truth. What really blows my mind is that when these people that are supposedly uphold the American Constitution, go home they are one of US. Don’t they see? Numbers count ask your relatives, your friends, your neighbors anyone to stand up for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And remember UNITED WE STAND / DIVIDED WE FALL WHAT WILL IT BE?
I am sure that is what the would love to do, find a way to murder them all, orders from big daddy Obama.
“conspiracy to interfere with federal workers?” That is interesting! Do your research. The BLM is a private corporation! https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+BLM+is+a+private+corporation&t=ffsb You might have to cut and paste that link.
Agree. Americans cain’t trust the Federal Government or its agencies anymore.
Too bad they aren’t Muslim farmers
Isn’t that the truth!
I still say that that should have been left up to the states, as, is the law of the land, there are no FEDERAL LANDS other than 12 Square miles for DC and for ports and forts in individual states. PERIOD.
Not true. They helped steal this country from the rightful owners, then sold private sections to individuals. Public Areas such as wild life areas, are governed & maintained by fed, state funds. They picked the wrong place to protest!
I was just on the fbi facebook page and there are a lot of Angry Constitutional American Patriots warning the fbi! Millions have mobilized after the execution of Lavoy Finicum and are preparing! The government has made it quite clear that they are trying to provoke Constitutional American Patriots in an effort to eradicate the 2nd Amendment and, quite possibly, the entire U.S. Constitution.
The government’s tactics are clearly designed to instill fear and terror in to Innocent, Law Adiding American Citizens, but those tactics have failed! All they have succeeded in accomplishing is to fill Constitutional American Patriots with a Terrible resolve!
They have succeeded in KILLING Americans citizens also. And will get by with it.. The Gr8 O-berry fbi
In light of historical reference we should expect actions like this from our government. After all, we allowed it to happen before with barely a whimper.
Remember Ruby Ridge? In case you might have forgotten, neither Randy Weaver nor Mr. Harris fired any shots at government agents after the siege began. Mr. Weaver surrendered after 11 days. An Idaho jury found him innocent of almost all charges and ruled that Kevin Harris’s shooting of the U.S. marshal was self-defense. Federal Judge Edward Lodge condemned the FBI and issued a lengthy list detailing the Justice Department’s and FBI’s misconduct, fabrication of evidence, and refusals to obey court orders.
Justice Department officials launched their own investigation. A 542-page report was completed that recommended possible criminal prosecution of federal officials and found that the rules of engagement “contravened the Constitution of the United States.” Yet Deval Patrick, assistant attorney general for civil rights, rejected the findings and concluded that the federal agents had not used excessive force.
FBI Director Louis Freeh concluded that there was no evidence to show that the FBI sniper,Mr. Horiuchi, intended to shoot Mrs. Vickie Weaver as she held her baby in her arms despite a hand drawn image by the sniper showing a woman’s head. Yet Bo Gritz, the former Vietnam War hero who represented the government when it finally negotiated Randy Weaver’s surrender after the death of his wife, declared that the government’s profile of the Weaver family recommended killing Mr. Weaver’s wife: “I believe Vicki was shot purposely by the sniper as a priority target. . . . The profile said, if you get a chance, take Vicki Weaver out.”
The state court wanted to prosecute him, but the central government said, “No”, and used the Supremacy Clause to avoid prosecution for killing her. Her husband collected over 3 million dollars for the murder of his son and his wife, but the perpetrators never spend an hour in jail.
The precedent is well established. Despite continual “mistakes” or “mistakes on purpose” (no way of really knowing) Federal agents and LEO’s in general have been busting in homes, shooting, killing, and maiming people. their pets and children, and destroying private property for some years now with impunity. When is the last time these people were sent to jail?
Today, national polls tell us the average citizen thinks the biggest threat to their safety is the government. In fact, they now fear their own government more than they do “terrorism.”
(Source: http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/americans-fear-government-more-than-terror/
Despite the finding by the Justice Department that the orders violated the Constitution, Freeh recommended that the only penalty Mr. Potts face be a letter of censure — the same penalty Mr. Freeh received when he lost an FBI cellular telephone.
The Weaver case was resolved in favor of granting unlimited deadly power to federal agents.
Remember Waco. It was proven the agents lied to get the warrant, lied to get the tanks, used a type of tear gas that was banned for use in war by the Geneva Convention on American men, women, and children. In case you don’t remember what happened, or only received the propaganda managed by the government’s Ministry of Truth – the mainstream media – I suggest you take the time to learn the documented facts at an on line museum dedicated to preserving those facts: http://www.web-ak.com/waco/index.html
Never forget, the courts have ruled the government can lie to you with impunity, however if you lie to a government agent you can go to jail. The courts have said the can that they can enter your home in violation of the 4th Amendment for what they call a “sneak and peek” because they were granted that power by Congress. The courts have said the government has a right to monitor you, see you emails, listen to your phone conversations, video you, stop and search you, etc., – all without you committing a crime or them having a warrant.
They can and will do whatever they please. Now, click your heels together, extend your right arm upward, and say, , , well , , , it can’t happen here.
Yes, Ruby Ridge and Waco and many injustices by the ATF have been and are being committed and people should stand up for those who are being mistreated. But don’t mix these instances in with those people who are off base with a warped sense of patriotism and bring their troubles on themselves.
Unlike you who has absolutely no sense of patriotism? The whole thing in Oregon started over government wanting to take land from people who owned it for a “wildlife refuge”. The government couldn’t make them leave so they tried to burn them out…and being the resourceful people they are they started a fire break to protect their livestock and themselves. And now the government is saying that the Bundy;s started the fire? But I guess that all make perfect sense to you, after all we should all ask how high when the government says jump.
You really ought to review the whole story and time line of events that led to the takeover.
Yes, the Hammonds were definitely mistreated by the Feds/Judicial system in regard to the
arson charges brought against them but that does not justify occupation of the refuge by self-appointed “militia” and others. The case against the Bundys is a separate matter entirely and I have no feelings of sympathy for that family at all.
Big Brother is watching you!
Then they’re wasting their time & the FBI’s time. This situation has snowballed, & needs to end now before others die for no reason. The two accessed started or let this go too far! That’s who I’m disappointed with. To lose lives for them was a sad waste of everything sacred. Hatred has spread like the true virus it is.
Before you get all worked up about the “Government” you should cast a critical gaze on those who voted this government into power! Hate to tell you this but your true enemy is your fellow “American.” Those who voted in
Obama and Pelosi and Boxer and Reid and on and on. The “Government” is just a reflection of those it represents.
ECC915 there aint nobody that could have said any better or more truthful, keep up the good work.
As long as the federal government and its agencies have the ability to use the judicial system to punish, coerce, threaten and even murder those participating in what should be considered as lawful disobedience on property owned by the sovereign state citizen, this will undoubtedly end up escalating into outright armed conflict between those who have determined that they are the masters of the unwashed masses and those who understand what it means to be a constitutionally protected citizen. Add to this the biased reporting of the media in an attempt to insure that they are in the good graces of the tyrants they serve and the average uninformed citizen is brainwashed into believing that those who are willing to stand up to the injustices being committed by these alphabet soup federal agencies are actually the crazy law breakers. I see in this article that Cliven Bundy was arrested on conspiracy charges by the Feds, how about charges being filed and arrests being made on all those who are knowingly conspiring to lie to the American citizen and break the oath to uphold and defend the constitution they swore to when taking the position they currently hold.
Are you listening to yourself? Stop this violence, don’t egg it on. You’re not on the battlefield. Those dead people have families and are mourning. You need to go there and stand in their shoes. Stop this hateful situation or be respectful of those who have passed on and their families.
I agree with Cricket we should all lay down and play dead!!! We should all allow tyranny to control us. George Washington (the rabble rouser) did not free us from the British rulers. We should willfully hand over everything we worked so hard to earn to our government. We shuld not question anything our government tells us. We should just obey like good little subjects. NOT!!!!
May, God help us all. If they are paid mercenary instead of real FBI agents, then we know this was all intended to take all of our freedoms and everything we own. These people are patriots not terrorists. We can see who our real enemies’ are if something does happen, and it is not our American citizens.
The FBI is following orders. Just like any other employees they do what they’re told. The real criminals are those who are having so much fun trying to keep it going with hateful remarks. If you’re not a participate in the physical, then try to start funeral funds, relief funds to have the families of those who have passed on! That’ll be time well spent. Be constructive . Please!!!
More federal regulations led to all of this. EPA says no livestock in wate of USA. Ranchers need to accomodate more protected animals. The regulations cost more than the rent so no pay the rent. Ranchers have cared for the land for years. It will cost taxpayers more if the fed care for the land. Burning is a pasture management procedure recommended by K State. Sad day when costly fed regs, made by people that are not knowledgeable kill free enterprise. Protests are the only way to make the truth come out. To Bad.
If the feds won’t get in line then there’s nothing left as an option but an ARMED REVOLUTION. We fought a REVOLUTION to become a FREE SOCIETY. Now we have the same thing happening that caused America to have a REVOLUTION then. TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!The last 3 Presidents have become Kings.#TheWashingtonCartel doesn’t exist for WETHEPEOPLE, they exist to get rich!
Hey you three guys and a woman. It is time to give up and then go through the courts. You have already lost one man that should never have happened, except for an overzealous Law Enforcement Officer. Get out or into custody and then get a change of venue
to a state where the U.S. Governments does not own Public Land. The land you are squatting on belongs to the peoples of the United States. The Government has leased this land to Ranchers for a nominal fee each year for decades and the Ranchers used and cared for the land. It seems that some ENVIROAMENTAIL FREAKS came out took a look and found animals or insects that live on the land and have for thousands of years and co-existed with the ranchers, eaten from the hay stacks the ranchers put out for their cows, licked their Salt and Mineral Blocks. What will happen to the animals once the Ranchers are kicked off, the Environments have gone home and the Federal Government says we have solved that problem and goes back
to Washington. Amil Baker, Land Surveyor. Senior Engineering Technician, an “A” water works license and Federal Firearms License and run a Gun Shop in Blanco, Texas, owns 132 acres in the Texas Hill Country and rents about 400 more to run a few cows and am 81 years old. I think I have enough experience to speak of the issue.
Well said Amil.
I honestly thought this would turn out like Ruby Ridge or Waco. Then the Jack booted THUGS would claim the patriotic Americans fired at them and were left with no alternative but to return fire. Hey they need to use some of that ammo to justify the purchase. Now if these individuals would have been black or Mooslime there would not have been FBI or ATF on scene and the ACLU along with Sharpton and Jackson would have been there demanding their rights. Black lies Matter would have been present screaming”hands up,don’t shoot”. This is insane. If the local Sheriff would have grown a pair,he would have used his authority and told the Jack booted THUGS to pound sand. My friends we are headed for troubled waters.
The FBI is NOT the ATF, and this was not a 2nd amendment issue but a trespassing issue among other things.
All the “militia” and “patriots” should have gone home once they got their TV and press time. They blew it by just
behaving like clowns. They don’t have the support of real Patriots who are fighting to keep or reclaim freedoms day by day in the courts and in other ways. In a true revolution, the phony “patriots” would wet their pants and fold when the going became really serious. All talk. Their main aim is to stir up trouble and get OTHERS to take the fall for them!
Listen if and I do say IF you pay taxes that is our land! How can one trespass on land you own? Overreach plain and simple. We should hold every inch of land in this country and allow the federal government nothing! 250 millionaires in Congress and too many of you believe they represent you. It’s laughable.
Blame Congress they make laws, and they will not tell you how many years they have in office, and they vote them selves a big raises , and they have the best medical with your money, Congress says all your money is theirs, and they can take it away any time you put these people in office now vote them all out of office, because they did northing for you but give you a big head ach and you made them rich on your money.
ECC915 your one of the biggest fools (or a plant just to start something or perhaps a product of our current governmental education system who does common core math) either way you need to bone up on your constitutional amendment rights. They owned that land, it had been in their family for generations and have every right to protect it and themselves. If someone wanted to take YOUR property you would most likely just hand it over, but that is not what this nation was founded on. We were founded on principles that taught that a man has a right to keep what he has purchased and earned, by any means necessary.
No…YOU need to bone up on the charges against the Bundys. The other ranchers paid their fees.
The Bundys did not. Just remember this…in a National Collapse, people like the Bundys and the various militia groups would try to carve out their own little fiefdoms and take YOUR land if they could! I’m in my mid 50s and have been a member of the NRA since my teens and probably know far more about Constitutional rights and our whole government at all levels than most people.
I am not sure what Moderation this thing is talking about.
The FBI are puppets carrying out AG ,BLM all connected to Harry Reid and Hillary Clinton…why the land grabs ? uranium and gold and other minerals that Clinton sold the mineral rights to Russia and China this is fact not conspiracy. Head of BLM former employee of Hard Reid its not just about grazing fees .The BLM is only to maintain national parks under constitutional Law the government cannot own land…nor seize it…LaRoy was ambushed and murdered by the FBI…he was unarmed at the time as it has been confmed by witness he left the weapons at the camp. FBI witness intimidation a witness Vicki Sharp was released redetained while her family member was killed in Utah and building set afire to threaten and silence this witness..there is a second video where the FBI shot LaRoy with hands in the air to cause a grab at the wound therefore claiming gun reach..even after LaRoy was down FBI head shot him his hands out stretched..murder
What is behind this Agenda. 21 started by G Bush no borders no guns no rights…an executive order not law…effectively turning the world into slaves for the wealthy..the entire governmeñnt supports this…what needs to be done must be done…
Good point Linda, I agree.
U no we hav ATLEast 35 Muslim training camps in this country and all kinds of bad things being taught at thousands of mosques! U would think the FBI would hav better things to do RATHER THAN GO AFTER OLD WHITE WOMEN AND MEN FIR STANDING IP FOR OUR CKNSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS! The Feds have no rights to own ANY STATES PROPERTIES! And HILLARY CLUNTKN HAD NO RIGHTS TO SELL URANIUM FROM THIS LAND TO THE RUSSIANS! May GOD protect these people and put a stop to this massacre!
These thugs belongs to obummer & are not real FBI, they need to be sent to cleanup the whithouse starting with king obummer
These protestors picked the wrong cause to demonstrate against. Someone does not have the right to set a fire on another property owner’s property. I’m glad to hear this is ending without any more loss of life. The one man that was shot was one too many.
I think there should be a debate on government land ownership and control. This group didn’t choose the best way to launch the debate.
Justin you comment about setting fire to another’s property really shows how misinformed you are. Have you never heard of a fire break? Don’t you know that it is capable of saving the lives of people and animals? Do you know that it has been used for GENERATIONS? Do you really think these people set fire to their OWN property JUST for a protest? Are you kidding me? The fire STARTED on the other owners property FIRST! This family was only trying to protect their OWN property.
This isn’t the beginning…. This has been going for at least 25 years that I know of. The federal government has been non responsive and in most cases they have made it harder and more onerous for the local ranchers. Alot of the BLM employees are hard core environmentalist that want to do away with animal agriculture all together. Don’t be misguided here… There are major political agendas at work here…
Stop supporting this bunch of criminals who apparently think they are above the law. Who are they to use public lands for their private use.
In my opinion they are trying to inform America we have a problem and that it is going to get much worse, if we continue to let our government Break the Law. Agreed No one should be above the law. The problem is that no one is holding Government Agencies accountable for breaking the law and actions against the Constitution. I would expect to see more and more of these events to occur, for the government is going to continue to break the law. Why do you think the Government (SOC) (Postal Dept) and other agencies has ordered billions of rounds of hollow-point ammo which is against the Gevena Convention. Why do you think the government is proposing mandatory ID Cards be issued with chips so they can be tracked with GPS Sat. Why do you think the government has already placed chips in all passports so they can be tracked with GPS Sat. Why do think the government has built hundreds of FEMA Camps (prisons) here in the US? The largest on in Alaska will hold over a million people? Why do you think the government carried out Operation Jade Helm this past summer? Why do you think the government staged 27,000 armored personnel carriers in Texas which is listed as a hostile state. Again you are going to see more and more events as the government takes more and more freedom away from law biding Americans. Why do you think the government is trying to take guns away from law biding citizens and do away with the Constitution, it is not in the best interests of the people. Why do you think Oregon is trying to make it a requirement to place electronics in your vehicle that will track your location *(GPS), where you have driven and log the miles you have driven. They have already had a pilot program and are now trying to implement that program. Other states are now considering the proposal. All this without taking before the people. If implemented you will not have a say in the matter. Most Americans do not realize just how much freedom they are losing everyday. A Federal Judge came out and stated in his opinion he thought it was illegal to mention the word GOD on government property. This is just an indication of where we are headed. Good luck.
Well said Lamar, is it very disturbing that so many Americans (although well meaning) have their heads in the sand when it comes to how our government operates.9/11 was the biggest surge of our freedoms being limited in all of America’s history, but because our government can claim that they knew nothing about this before hand it gets filed under the “assumption” that George Bush did everything he could do “after the fact” and people have eaten that lie. The social experiment has worked, the bigger the lie, the easier it is for people to believe.
Not above the law… The ranchers are well within the law
I live in South Texas the US wild life owns about 150000 acres they do burn and these idiots will burn on some of the windiest days and the all fire trucks have to come in to help …now remember these are Fed. employees that set these fires and we the Tax payer pay for this it is time to stop this crap fire all
Remember Mike our own government agency the EPA that is supposed to protect us all from the impending doom of global warming actually POISONED a river in Colorado TWICE!!
This could of been so easy to solve . The gov should of left dodge and the protesters would of left town. But big bully gov has to make a statement.
It was an unjustified ambush on Lavoy and the others to keep them from reaching a constitutional sheriff who might could have written a different ending to the story. The Fed’s couldn’t let that happen. Tyranny is what we have now and a revolution is coming sooner or later. I don’t necessarily agree with all their tactics but I do agree with their reason. Stand up for freedom and the constitution.
If this had been an ISIS training camp absolutely nothing would have been done. As has been pointed out already, there are numerous training camps all over the US. What does the government do? NOTHING! Let them train, let them do what they will. It’ll help us later when we take over because of the threat. It is planned by ODummy in the WH.
Obama’s plan is on course. We will be a police state with no rights.
The press are agents of the Illuminati, New World Order.
To the horn news, I don’t no what your problem is with my comments, but every one I leave you say I have already said it and its a dam lie and I don’t need this kind of crap.