FBI authorities released a video last evening in an apparent effort to counter claims that the man killed in the confrontation Tuesday on a remote Oregon high-country road — Robert “LaVoy” Finicum — did nothing to provoke officers.
But even with this video, the issue remains muddier than ever.
On the one hand, the militia’s claim that they surrendered peacefully is clearly untrue, the video shows. Finicum’s truck nearly hit an FBI agent while it attempted to avoid a road block before it got stuck in the snow.
On the other, it remains debatable whether deadly force was necessary. The video leaves it unclear if police were trigger happy, or if Finicum was truly going for a gun when he reached inside his jacket.
The video appears to show Finicum’s arms outstretched. The FBI says his movements show he was reaching into his jacket before he fell dead into the snow, and claim Finicum had a loaded gun in his pocket.
During the confrontation in which Finicum was killed, the FBI and Oregon State Troopers arrested five main figures in the occupation, including the group’s leader, Ammon Bundy. Bundy and several of the other occupiers have another federal court hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon.
The FBI posted the video to its YouTube channel, which readers can see below. The Horn News editorial staff has fast-forwarded to the moments right before the deadly confrontation, and would like to warn readers that the footage may be upsetting.
The video, shot by the FBI from aircraft, shows Bundy’s vehicle stopped by police on a road. He and an occupier riding with him — Brian Cavalier — were arrested. A white truck driven by Finicum was stopped but took off, with officers in pursuit. The video shows Finicum’s vehicle plowing into a snowbank when encountering a roadblock.
A man identified as Finicum gets out of the truck. At first, he has his hands up, but then the FBI claims he attempts reach into his pocket and then falls into the snow.
“On at least two occasions, Finicum appears to reach his right hand toward a pocket on the left inside portion of his jacket,” said Greg Bretzing, special agent in charge for the FBI in Portland.
“He did have a loaded 9mm semi-automatic handgun in the pocket,” he said.
“Actions have consequences,” Bretzing continued. “The FBI and OSP tried to effect these arrests peacefully.”
With Finicum lying in the snow, the video shows what the FBI was the use of flash-bang grenades and tear gas on the vehicle’s remaining occupants. Later, agents arrest two other occupiers as they got out of the stuck truck: Ryan Bundy, who is Ammon’s brother, and Shawna Cox. Bretzing said another woman was in the truck but was not arrested, and would not identify her.
Bundy and his followers were on their way to a meeting in the community of John Day when then encountered the FBI-led operation to apprehend them. The FBI acted amid growing calls that something be done to end the occupation, including from Oregon’s governor.
The Associated Press contributed to this article.
If law enforcement officers tell you to raise your hands…or let me see your hands…in a tense situation…and I would be very impressed if they did not say these things…and then you lower your hands and go into your jacket…..Do I need to say anything else?
WORKED FOR CLIENTS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS FOR 35 YEARS AND HAVE YET TO FIND LAWS ON THE BOOKS IN THIS OUR DAY AND TIME THAT DICTATE THE DEATH PENALTY; THAT WHILE ROGUE ‘LAW ENFORCEMENT’ SEEMS TO UNIVERSALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE THE EXCLUSIVELY HAVE THE GOD LIKE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH AND APPARENTLY THE COURTS AND OTHER POWERS THAT BE CONCUR; PUNISHMENT ALMOST UNIVERSALLY LACKING.
WE DO TAKE CONSIDERABLE COMFORT IN THE BELIEF THAT EACH OF THESE WILL FINALLY APPEAR AS DEFENDANTS BEFORE THE GREAT WHITE JUDGEMENT BEFORE OUR TRIUNE GOD AND FINALLY RECEIVE THE TRUE JUSTICE DESERVED!!!!!!!
That was plain murder!
Looks like another WACO on our hands
Yup finicky was shot in the back with his hands up…..Feds loves to twist story around stating whatever they want. We the people do not trust governments tyrannies.
You need glasses!
What we see here is not good enough to say this shooting was right or wrong, however if no gun was visible to police, they should NOT have shot him. He may have been reaching for a gun, ID, or just having difficulty walking in the snow, we don’t know.
Are you blind? He reached TWICE for his gun and it was confirmed that he had a loaded 9 MM in that spot he was reaching for! And did you miss the part where HE took off and tried to run through the roadblock and nearly hit an officer? the government pretty much gave the militia free reign over the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge Headquarters with unlimited access to the press. They essentially handed them a national microphone, which many believe wouldn’t have been the case if they were of a different race or nationality. I’d say that’s pretty hospitable treatment from the organization that is supposed to be their oppressor. Finicum was not killed for refusing to renounce his beliefs. He was killed for attempting to shoot officers after breaking the law. Rather than a genuine martyr, LaVoy may have just been a man with something that psychologists call a martyr complex.
I am sure glad that our country has implemented operation “JUDGE DREDD”! Now we do not need courts, court houses, prisons, jails, judges, lawyers, jury’s and the many other unneeded professions! Gee whiz, just think of all the money that will be saved if we just let our “JUDGE DREDD’S” execute anyone who is exercising their constitutional rights, besides “their dead and what difference does it make now”-quote Hilary Clinton on Benghazi 2015!
Why shout?
Had that been a black man or muslim, berry , lynch, and naacp wud be investigating.
If Finicum had been black and rushed the officers and actually pulled a gun before he was killed, there would be rioting and looting, arson, and mayhem. If he had been a Muslim, those awful officers would be racists and bigots.
Yes, but white people are nothing but Mind Controlled Cowards!
Your a silly sap suckers sir/boy. I,m white, and my mind is controlled by He who is most high. And no one else. Racist, is an over used “slogan” @ this point. A way the progressive like yourself try’s to intimidate someone apposed to your Marxist view point. In this case, to point out a group on racial lines, in a derogatory manner is exactly what a racist is. The coward part, is hiding behind the name disgusted. It should be (disgusting)because that is who you seem to be, and what that comment you made is
Do these sound replies sound like they are coming from mind controlled cowards?
Unfortunately many white people ARE mind controlled cowards, but not ALL of them. Just like most, not all black people are welfare controlled cowards. Most, but not all Middle Eastern People are Muhammad controlled… Er what I meant to say was, even if they ARE mind controlled cowards that don’t make them any more racist than the rest of you. Incidentally, black people are by far the most racist people in America by a huge margin.
If that had been a black man, an Islamic, or Hispanic, they wouldn’t have been killed! There is a war on white, American men!
YES YES!! Its called conquer and divide!!! Just what their intentions are. The middle-class is diminishng slowly and someday there will be nothing but The Rich & Poor which is another plan divised by the Elites. God help the future of our children!!!
It’s always conquer and divide when it’s a white person isn’t it? When it’s anyone else it’s “they shouldn’t have broke the law” am I right?
Is it true that the FBI shooter was a black man!
no and it was an Oregon State Trooper not a fed. The FBI made that very clear when they had a news conference showing the video and narrated the whole thing. It’s no secret and no he wasn’t shot 100 plus times. It was once in the chest and he went down. Watch it the video on youtube.
Paranoid and misinformed
Yes, this video raises questions. Was Mr. Finicum reaching to cover the first bullet hit. The kill shot came from the back. Also, it appears the roadblock was set up where it only became visible a second or two before the vehicle swerved to either attempt to miss or bypass the officers.
. . .will that fact come out?
The saddest part of all of this is the fact that this all would have been avoided if the government did not think that they have to own more and more land. This whole thing started in protest of the government running over landowners. We own land. We know. The government is not supposed to own half or more of a State. The government in the guise of the BLM is the guilty party in all of this. That refuge where these people were occupying belong to the public. It sure is not the governments taxes that keep it up! Let’s put the blame where it should be.
Look how long it took for Benghazi to start showing evidence of a coverup. The only reason it is now, is hil( the sol alinski Marxist protégé ) is making a run for the White House, arrogantly keeping her face in the spotlight . She,s been out of her office for years, had she laid low, she would have got away with it. That,s how haughty the Clinton,s are. Their,above the law Fantasy, will be their downfall
His hands are UP, why would he bring them down? He knows that they have guns trained on him!! If he was going to fight it out to the death he would have could out blazing, not hands and then reach for his handgun! My feeling after watching it was he was being shot at or was shot, and then went for his handgun when he realized there would be no quarter! But, like you say reaching to cover the first bullet hit could be true too! But I think my feeling is right on!!!
Yes it looked like that shot indeed came from the back, even if he managed to get his hands on his supposedly 9mm hand gun what would that do against tactical gear ?? Then if he fired a round that would have been justification.
Ben: so now you’re a medical examiner?
Look closely, the FBI person ran out in front of the oncoming truck. VERY CLEAR.
The so-called “kill shot” was fromt the front by an Oregon state trooper. And it was once. The guy in the back never fired a shot.
I would like to know why he was shot with his hands up? Do we have any autopsy report as to how many gunshot wounds there are and where? Why did they call that guy over to shoot him multiple times in the face? He was laying still. If he were alive shouldn’t they be trying to keep him alive to stand trial, Isn’t that protocol? I’ve heard they may have planted a gun on him that was marked as stolen 2 yrs ago. I wonder if there is any record of him buying that type of ammunition. I do understand why they didn’t go up to him sooner, they had to clear the vehicles to be safe, but why did they shoot him in the face? I guess a dead man can’t talk.
yea he was shot in the back how many of you can walk through deep snow and maintain your balance with you hands outstretched or up in the air
Good point! After watching the video, I was hard pressed to tell if he was ‘reaching’ for something or maintaining his balance. The shots came fro behind him so we know that agent could not see what Finicum was doing.
Agreed
wrong. keep spreading those lies and get someone else killed.
Reaching into my pocket does not help me maintain my balance. On the contrary, the most control against slipping in the snow occurs when arms are outstretched — try it sometime. Really, do I need to say this?
Look closely, the FBI person ran out in front of the oncoming truck. VERY CLEAR.
Yes. If they do not see a DEADLY WEAPON they have no authority to execute a US citizen. Any LEO knows this and is trained for these situations. The use of lethal force has been excessively overused in recent years. I am on the side of law enforcement and know how difficult of a job that they have to do. It still does not give someone an excuse to mortally wound an unarmed civilian, that is a blatant misuse of power.
They had it in for him and did what they wanted to in cold blood. Nothing new with these FBI people. I was once asked to be an agent !!! Glad I turned that down. Same goes for being a pilot in AF bunch of ass kisser to get any place in rank. All the way up chain of command. Kiss ass or don’t get promoted. Then when you make it become an ass hole.
I think the governer was partly responsible for this fiasco as he asked for the FBI,,,,,,,,I believe the Sheriff could have handled it much better and just waited for these people to show themselves in town instead of hunting them down like killers.
Sheriff supposed to protect his people, FBI does not jurisdiction over state, District of Columbia only, the sheriff should have stepped in. But he did not?
You got that right !
They were already leaving, so what was the FBI doing there. There was no need for the FBI to confront anyone.
This government is out of control.
If he was shot before he REACHED his hand in his pocket, YEAH I’d say you need to not only say more but pay close attention to his reaction pryer to him reaching into his side, not only that, why did they have the road block in the FIRST place, they were on their way to a meating with the ( LAUGH ) authority’s, they could have simply arested them then, it was a set up from JUMP street, in hopes of a CONFRENTATION so they could SLOUGHTER them all if posable.
Yes, Why did he reach for his I.D when asked to do so?
I was in a situation where I had my hands and arms straight out, as ordered, when a female Deputy, (Deputy Lessie Roberson of the Los Angeles County Sheriffs’ Dept.) squatted down behind me and picked me up off the sidewalk, BY MY CROTCH, and held me there until she get a good laugh out of the other Deputies, and Sargent.
I sued the Sheriffs Dept. but all thirteen lied through their teeth on the witness stand with total impunity.
They also handcuffed me so tight that it caused a Ganglion Cyst which cost me $1,100.00 for an operation to have it removed. That happened in 2001 and my wrist still bothers me today.
Because the thirteen Sheriffs Deputies lied on the stand, the law suit failed which cost me $80,000.00.
So, take my advice and never sue City Hall AND, never believe an officer of the law when they take the stand
P.S. They also steal because they stole a $21,000,00 Ruby ring from my home when I was outside on the sidewalk. They claimed I was suspected of being a danger to myself or others. What a farce!
Well I hope you got some paybacks .
Nope.
Jeff is absolutley correct
If the dead person would have pulled a firearm out then the shooter should shoot, it is impossible to get a round off when pulling the firearm out of a coat before a person holding a firearm at the ready can shoot. Just reaching across one’s chest does not justify being killed.
Really,you think you should wait to see the weapon and then hope your first shot is enough to stop the threat.How naive!! You obviously have never been in any related situation,but go to the gun range once in a while.
AS TO THE DAVID POST’s COMMENT; FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH I SERVED WHILE IN COLLEGE AS A SPECIAL DEPUTY COUNTY RANGER AND RATHER THAN SHOOTING OR EVEN TOUCHING MY SIDEARM, I TALKED A FELLOW OUR OF HIS SHOTGUN HE HAD BEEN USING TO SHOOT AT CAR PASSING ON THE DIRT COUNTRY ROAD THAT RAN IN FRONT OF HIS RESIDENCE; this comment tendered for what it is worth. Granted that was back in the latter part of the 1950s when sanity prevailed down her in the Deep South. INCIDENTLY, HAD ANY SHOOTING TAKEN PLACE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WITNESS THE YOUNG MAN’S WIFE WHO WAS NEARING HER DELIVERY TIME AS WELL AS THE TWO STAIR STEP DIAPERED BABIES THAT WERE ON THE LIVING ROOM BED WHERE THIS TOOK PLACE.
AND INCIDENTLY, I WORKED FOR CLIENTS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS FOR 35 YEARS AND HAVE YET TO FIND LAWS ON BOOKS IN THIS OUR DAY AND TIME THAT DICTATE THE DEATH PENALTY; THAT WHILE ROGUE ‘LAW ENFORCEMENT’ SEEMS TO UNIVERSALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE THE EXCLUSIVE GOD LIKE POWER OF LIFE AND DEATH AND APPARENTLY THE COURTS AND OTHER POWERS THAT BE CONCUR; PUNISHMENT ALMOST UNIVERSALLY LACKING.
WE DO TAKE CONSIDERABLE COMFORT IN THE BELIEF THAT EACH OF THESE WILL FINALLY APPEAR AS DEFENDANTS BEFORE THE GREAT WHITE JUDGEMENT BEFORE OUR TRIUNE GOD AND FINALLY RECEIVE THE TRUE JUSTICE DESERVED!!!!!!!
FOR FOLKS IN THEIR MAKE BELIEVE WORLD, THE FACTS OF THE NECESSITY IN LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD THEY SEEM SIMPLY TO BE ‘UNABLE TO HANDLE THE TRUTH AND REALITY’.
The officers had there guns on him. they should not have shot unless they saw his gun coming out of his holster . I have 20 years in the USMC. What is right is right. The officers jump the gum. Shame.
Yes you are right, however, they could have handled it better, he didn’t have to die that day!
They wanted him to die, sends a message doesn,t it
Yeah, protesting can get you killed. Revolution is on the way, French style.
Yes they need to at least see a weapon in every instance of use of deadly force, otherwise the cross the chest movement catholics make in prayer could be cause for lethal force. Preferably officers do not need to fire a weapon until first fired upon. So that it is clear that an assailant is resisting. Holding a weapon in ones hand is the intent of the “bearing arms” clause in the second amendment. There is nothing illegal about having and holding a loaded weapon, unless you are a previously convicted felon, and therefore restricted by order of a court of jurisdiction.
You are wrong of course.
The distance was critical the shooter was quite distant and at the ready with a rifle and had tactical gear he sure as hell could have waited 2/3 seconds to see what his intention was ? In my opinion he the Shooter was criminally wrong.
David is right. When confronting police with drawn weapons, do not reach for your pocket unless first given permission. Also, don’t wander around. Just get down on your knees and follow instructions. That way, you will live to fight another day. Is it really necessary to repeat this?
Gaffer, Do you really believe the guy was stupid enough to reach for a gun when all those FBI had weapons aimed at him? Would you even consider doing that? Would you believe even a stupid person would do that?
COME ON, MAN.
They should have to wait until they are fired on !
I agree. Film I’d poor quality. A lot through the trees. For all I know, the cops planted a gun him to justify to shooting. The video is poor quality to make any judgement
Yea, like that never happens! They do whatever they want, they doctored this tape!
I agree. It sure looked like a guy carrying a bag up to the obviously dead body and the guy bending over the body removed something from the bag and it didn’t look like he was getting out something to wipe his nose as he was very sneaky about it.
The government has no business being in real estate. Sucking up pristine land like the Marxist they have become. So what if they occupied federal land and rubbed the noses of officials. That means kill?, funny thing…… When the leftest bastards occupied Wall Street, where was the government thugs then? Nowhere to be found, Hillary basically left our ambassador unprotected, along with 50other brave souls in benghazi to die, nothing, even with evidence. We are living in tyranny and it,s entirely lying @ the feet of the progressive Marxists that have hijacking our great country.
Yeah, that guy Grant was a real Marxist. Of course, that was ten years before Marx published his philosophy…
“The bill’s chief supporters convinced their colleagues that the region’s real value was as a park area, to be preserved in its natural state. On March 1, President Grant signed the bill into law, establishing the Yellowstone region as a public park and setting a major conservation precedent. The Nation had its first national park; an area of exceptional beauty was set aside for the enjoyment of generations to come, and a tradition of preserving similar areas was established.”
The land was earmarked for a bird sanctuary. This was because the ranchers & farmers action on the land drew the birds there. Then, and only then did the BLM come to take the property and in this case they continually badgered them to sell. They even fenced off the water so the ranchers cattle could not drink.
They got permission from the State to access the water but the BLM told them they would get arrested if they did anything to the fence.
The only thing they could find was the burns which they did on an annual basis. These burns enhanced the land by enriching the soil.
Those BLM employees should be the ones who should be in jail, particularly the one who ran the show.
Well said, Don.
And wonder why they left him bleeding to death and/or freezing in the snow for almost half an hour?
Shows they were simply there to KILL.
Yes!!!!@ I see the very same thing! SHOT! Left lying there to bleed to death,,,,,,,,,,,what a bunch of Bad FBI,,,,,,,,,,,,some one wasn’t using their Brain whoever was in charge at this altercation.
we need more people do protests because the govt IS overreaching and needs to back off.
Do you really believe that the rest of us should pay our taxes so these guys get a free ride on Federal land. They are criminals.
The criminals are the federal BLM that makes jokes at retirement party on how they STEAL land for pennies on the dollar. It is unconstitutional for the federal gov to own as much land as they do. It has to stop. And yes there is video of the jokes made at the party.
It’s time we the people come together and put an end to this communist regime! Obamas fraudulent presidency was choreographed in the home of Bill Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn, good wholesome Americans! Ha! It stinks of communism!
“We The People” need to take out the trash! On both sides of the isle! This is our homeland and we are not communists, we are not Islamic, we are not Hispanic! We are God fearing, Buck skinnin, trott-line runnin, country folks who don’t like fraudulent communist Islamic jihadists infiltrating our people’s government! We are going to take it back, “Bath-House-Barry!”
Your an asshole progessive idiot Joey. And uneducated brainwashed fool. They set a portion of their own land on fire to prevent wild fires. That is what started this fiasco. They are land owners, don,t they have the right to do as they please with their own land?. Not if Marxist like you are in control right idiot? By the way Joey, their was no such thing as taxes prior to 1912. Our first communist president Woodrow Wilson, implemented the income tax, for nearly 150, there was no income tax. And now we are way overtaxed because idiots like you think we should
They were in their cars and leaving, so why did the FBI have a road block?? Prevent them from leaving?? Doesn’t make sense. What did the FBI expect when they were forcibly preventing them from leaving and going to a meeting that everyone there new about.
June,
I believe you hit the nail on the head here. If they were exiting the refuge then what was the need for a road block in the first place. The setting up of the road block was not only counterintuitive but probably illegal as an unecessary detainment. But I see no need to take this to any court, a waste of time IMO. Elections are coming, time to clean house, in DC.
This land is our land. This government is our government. There is no government that exists as an entity outside of the people and their elected officials. If we believe they are officiating improperly or not according to our collective wishes then we must remove them from office. The voting booth is the final frontier. If anyone thinks these events are a result of overbearing, rouge agencies of the bureacracy, then I suggest you vote for a candidate who believes in a more streamlined government generally, and one with limits laid out in the constitution clearly. The Iowa caucus opens Monday I think. I support Rand Paul for President and a house cleaning generally in the congress, and no seat for Obama on any court. These things happened on his watch.
You are a sack of rocks.
Your taxes are funding murderers. How nice.
You people belong in combat and see how trustworthy you are of the enemy reaching into a coat pocket.
American citizen is the ememy, it that right John?. He was shot in the back John. Didn,t you see him spin when that happened? Dope
And you are a nitwit if you believe that. You are exactly what the progressive movement wants. A dumbed down public school progressive uneducated drone, who believes they thing written, fiction, or not. Theirs about 10 guns trained on the man. Law in forced alrite, the officer stated, They found a gun IN HIS POCKET. What part of that don,t you understand?. No law abiding officer is gonna discharge his weapon until he sees a physical threat, another weapon. That,s police 101. And your an absolute idiot. Pick up a book and try to learn something fool
Bud,
If you believe an officer that says “he had a gun in his pocket”, you, sir are dumber them dumb.
The key to your statement is “law abiding”. How many murdering “law abiding” officers have you seen in the news lately? Or, don’t you watch the news?
Since when did the American citizen become the enemy of the American “government”. The citizens are those who collectively empower any government to do what it does. And that power can be revoked at any and all points in time. If not through impeachment and/or the court system then through the election cycle.
Tim,
Since the US Legislature started creating laws that they themselves are not required to obey.
Your vote and all the votes in the US are not going to change that. It will take a militia of millions of armed citizens to change that.
How the does this thing compare with combat you ding dong, these are american resisting our own government for using our own state lands. Every state in the west fights this junk! Its our land Oregon should have the say. These people are ranchers that feed the West and have been doing so for hundreds of years.
How do you know he was reaching into his pocket? Maybe he was losing his balance.Could it be an instinctive reaction to being shot? John it’s apparent you support muderous bastards. John the man was laying down and shot several times,that good for you you fucking snake?
AMEN . . . ALTHOUGH ROGUE GOVERNMENT STORM TROOPERS WILL CONTINUE TO EXPONENTIALLY INCREAST THEIR MURDER BENT AS THEY HAVE EXCAPED JUSTICE SO FAR AND THUS EXPECT TO CONTINUE TO DO SO; THAT IS IN THIS LIFE, I.E. AS LONG AS THEY ARE ALIVE.
THIS IN REPLY TO BOB’S POST; NO TO THE OTHER WHO MUST BE SIMPLY IGNORED AS ALWAYS
I agree with that. Every branch of this Administration has gone far and beyond the limit of the law. And do so with an arrogant manner as if they were entitled.
He brings his hand down but remember he’s moving around in slippery snow. It’s difficult to move in snow with your hands straight up. Nevertheless, the FBI is correct in saying he didn’t keep his hands up. On the other hand, they are incorrect in saying he was going for his INSIDE pocket. I don’t see any move to open his jacket and go for a gun in his inside pocket. Seems to me that would require two hands. For all we know, without sound, he was merely gesturing to his left side and announcing to LEOs that he had a gun.
DEATH PENALTY ADMINISTRATORS VIVIDLY SEEN IN ACTION, AL LA WACO, RUBY RIDGE, WOUNDED KNEE, ETC.
I would not vote for the sheriff again. He is not for his own people !!!!!
we need more people like this to expose more of our governments over reach.god bless them
this was a chicken shit shooting …. the man was shot in the BACK !!!!! the agent in front him saw what he was doing & did not fire. But the jackass that came from behind Lavoy could not see a thing & HE decides to shoot the man in the back ….. I think the gun story is a cover up …… I think Lavoy was trying to stand up in the snow …. he was unsteady a couple of times …. but no matter what …. the guy in back of him that shot Lavoy in the back had no way to know what was happening & he should NOT have pulled the trigger ….. CHICKEN SHIT SHOOTING
THAT THE USUAL RATHER THAN THE EXCEPTION; REPEATED OVER AND OVER; WHITE WASHING IS WHAT IT WOULD BE ACCURTELY DESCRIBED!
Welcome to the new world order, conspiracy theory I think not, This was pure Murder of a true patriotic American, Say by the way the FEMA camps are real to, the news media have already twisted this story to make them look like terrorists Hang on to your Guns America you will need them, Better yet find Jesus because we are in the end days and this is not a theory ether
Well stated Don, if the homeowner knew the thief was coming, wouldn,t he say out to protect his home/family? Not everyone is in the dark , you keep sounding the alarm brother, Paul revere rode to tell other Patriots the British are coming. You sir are doing the same. God Bless you for it
I think the coroner will find that the lethal round(s) entered FInicum’s back, clearly indicating that he was MURDERED by someone who he was NOT threatening, even if he was threatening others (can’t tell from the video). The moment Finicum was fatally shot he was NO THREAT to anyone! If in fact, Finicum did have a gun in his pocket as alleged, it never left his pocket, SO the agent shot someone who was, as far as the shooter could tell, was unarmed and not a threat to him (the shooter). It will come down this way in court, but if the roles were reversed and it was Finicum shooting an FBI Agent, he would definitely be charged with MURDER!! The unbelievable attack on the two people who remained in Finicum’s SUV clearly indicates to me the MURDEROUS intent of the officers on the scene!
Remember the faces of these Real American Patriots folks, for We will never see them again!
Their murders will only serve as a Rallying Cry to the masses! Justice must be served and it must be served COLD!
These guys aren’t Patriots, they are criminals looking for a free ride on the backs of the rest of us.
You need to be familiar with the whole story before you make unfounded statements. They had been harassed for years by the feds and were trying to get justice from an overreaching government. Is one just supposed to roll over and play dead when the government engages in their “all too frequent” overreach? Read the background on this issue. There is nothing about it that constitutes a “free ride” in any way.
Tell that to the progessive movement Joey, I could only hope to meet on you a street corner to set you straight
The progressive Marxist like the clintons on one side, the bushes on the other have been sucking off the American tit scone the turn of the century. Your one of 2things Joey, either your a troll getting a demented kick out of rubbing people raw with your comments, or a dumb diago from the public school system
Joseph,
You need to read the entire story from the beginning my friend. You are of a grave misunderstanding.
If you watched the video —you just witnessed our government murdering an American citizen
The State of Oregon kills and arrests Oregonians who violated a cattle grazing permit on “federal land.” The permit allowed 161 cattle to graze from October through May, but Finicum was found grazing his cattle on the land in August, outside of the authorized period. So, if grazing laws are so rigidly enforced, why not illegal immigration laws! Oregon is in violation of federal law, but the federal government is not sending troops to enforce the law. Why is that?
Politics…. When the leftist progressive Marxist are involved, it,s freedom of speech, when it,s American patriots standing up, their criminals, hate speech, and an other propaganda slogan that can be made up
That’s a real easy question to answer, Bill. Check to see who is in charge at the White House.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!
When there is that many trained guns on you hell yes you are a coward to shoot without actually seeing a weapon, You want to try and pull a 9mm hand gun on me when I have full auto, yes I will wait to see a gun. if a civilian shot someone without seeing an actual weapon, well fess up you know your ass would go to prison. Think it through, two sets of rules you think they were not equipped with class three body armor . Cowards,cowards,cowards.
What proof is there that the man even had a gun on him at the time he was shot.
It looks more likely that one of the officials planted the gun on him to justify there killing him .
And to cover there trigger happy buddy’s ass. No one would ever pull a loaded weapon on all of those policemen. His hands was up and they were on there way to a meeting with the sheriff. And the reason the truck went off the road is because it was slick out, he’ll it’s winter time in the mountains, not like it was a summer day. It was murder by our corrupt government plane and simple !!! And there just trying to cover there ass just like they always do !!!
I just watched a Documentary on the Kent State Killings Yesterday Morning.
That was a Government Massacre of completely Unarmed Students.
FBI had to go Search out the People they Killed at Ruby Ridge. Killed a woman holding a Baby in her Arms. She certainly was a Threat.
I watched in Real Time the Government under Janet Reno’s Instructions, Torch Women & Children after going to a Distant Location to do that.
They had said they wanted David Koresh. Their Person who had Infiltrated the Complex told them that David Koresh rode his Bicycle into town most every day. Why didn’t they just pick him up on his Bicycle? Could it be they wanted to warn Americans not to Cross them???
I have been stopped by Black Lives Matters Protesters Closing off the Freeway so that I could not get to work. The very work that supports those “PARASITES”. BLACK LIVES PROTESTERS BURNED DOWN BUILDINGS OF WORKING AMERICANS, LOOTED THEIR STORES, TURNED POLICE CARS UPSIDE DOWN, BROKE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS, DISRUPTED CHRISTMAS SHOPPERS AT THE MALL OF AMERICA, DISRUPTED AIR TRAVELERS AT THE MPLS. AIRPORT, STOPPED LIGHT RAIL TRANSIT. THEY CAME TO THE PEOPLE AND INJURED THEM AND NO ONE WAS KILLED.
THE FBI KILLED A MAN AND ARRESTED OTHERS WHO WERE HOLED UP AT A PUBLIC FACILITY, NOT HARMING ANYONE, NOT LOOTING, NOT BURNING BUILDINGS, BUT TRYING TO STOP THE GOVERNMENT FROM STEALING THEIR PROPERTY THAT THEY WORKED ON FOR GENERATIONS SO THAT THE GOVERNMENT COULD RUN THEM OFF.
PLEASE SOMEONE………..TELL ME IF AMERICAN CITIZENS ARE NOT IN A WAR WITH THE GOVERNMENT.
AMERICAN TAXPAYERS ARE STOLEN FROM TO FACILITATE FUNDING ILLEGALS & MUSLIMS WHO KILL AMERICANS & THEN SEND THE FBI OUT TO KILL AMERICANS IN “COLD BLOOD”. I RESERVED JUDGEMENT UNTIL I SAW THE VIDEO.
THE FBI SHOT A MAN WHO HAD HIS HANDS IN THE AIR IN “COLD BLOOD”. I BELIEVE THEY ARE TELLING THE REST OF AMERICA.
SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON’T GO ALONG WITH OUR TYRANNY!!!!!
That about covers it Doug. A bit more
If you follow the whole incident; those in the cars were on the road to attend a publicized town meeting with a local sheriff that was sympathetic to the ranchers cause. They had no idea they were being set up. Neither did the girls in the truck. The FBI sure picked a convenient place for an ambush, now didn’t they.
Notice all the MSM reported was McConnell’s “description” of what happened at the shooting site, even though he was at the original stop a mile away. I am curious who the lying McConnell is. The guy purported to be on the ranchers side. He was a mile away from the shooting, and the MSM used his “eye witness” testimony of the shooting. A plant maybe?
As far as I know, the testimony of the two girls that were in the truck has been ignored by the MSM. Correct me if I am wrong.
Notice the MSM is now either ignoring this ambush, or just giving the FBI’s spin I just watched FOX News.
Just like WACO and Ruby Ridge.
Hands up don,t shoot only applies to thugs with a political agenda that serves the Marxist
You can definitely see why Americans have to ARM themselves. Not against Intruders, Thieves from Black Lives Matters, but from the Government.
OUR FOUNDERS TOLD US THAT THIS GOVERNMENT WOULD EVENTUALLY DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THAT WAS WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT WAS ABOUT.
TO PROTECT US FROM A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THERE NOW!!!!
These principles and governments go back thousands of years. The framers were men who understood history and government, and how they functioned thru the course of history. Control the food control the people, control the guns, take over a people, and enslave them…. Sound familiar ?
Hope the “weapon” doesn’t get ‘lost’. Was it registered to him? Ambushes are difficult on slippery roads and snowbanks. Didn’t stay in vehicle, got right out, “hands-up, don’t shoot!” ? Are their carcams running and tracking? More questions than answers…especially for impatient Gov. (OR) to order “any means”…for Fed’s (US), on State hiway, not on Fed land?
Gosh!…whodunnit?
Why did they shoot him in the BACK? It also took 20 Minutes until someone went to the body. It is as though they wanted him dead and they made no attempt to see if he was alive or needed medical attention. There is something very fishy going on here. Look up Uranium One to really see why they wanted that range land. The powers to be, whoever that is, wanted the land they were using for grazing to sell the mineral right too.
There is always more than what meets the eye or sees the light of day.
That was MURDER. The asshole in the rear shot him in the back. I didn’t see any gun. Maybe he was trying to get a gun out. A bit hard to do with a very heavy coat on while trying to keep your balance in the snow. And at least 4-5 heavily armed men with full gear on to protect themselves. I don’t care what he did, no one in their right mind would try and shoot their way out of that situation just for taking over a CLOSED refuge out in the middle of nowhere. I didn’t see anyone getting shot in the riots in Ferguson or Baltimore. Did you??? Of course not. The Black community would have gone crazier than they already did. And the feds would have been crucified there. Now it’s an older white man. Where’s the outrage??? This fed should be shot himself for shooting him in the back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am 62 years old, do not own a gun or have a license for a gun (but intend to this year), never arrested, worked all my life: I feel Law enforcement DID NOT NEED TO USE DEADLY FORCE against an American citizen, who was acting Peaceably in belief of his constitutional rights are being taking away and trying to expose Federal land abuse etc.) This man LaVoy (as his family states “Love of God, family and America”) DID HAVE HIS HANDS UP AFTER GETTING OUT OF HIS TRUCK IMMEDIATELY (TO PROTECT OTHERS WITHIN TRUCK BY SURRENDERING = loyal & thinking of others in truck) THEN STANDING IN 2′ TO 3′ OF SNOW / WALKING AWAY INTO OPEN AREA……………………… DID NOT OPEN HIS COAT, DID NOT REACH INTO HIS COAT AS TWO to TEN “cowboy ENFORCERS stood 15′ away with rifles drawn and aimed at LaVoy. LaVoy was shot down in cold blood, shame on Feds and State police WHO SHOULD BE EXPOSED AND Removed from law enforcement jobs for MURDER IF NOT jailed. God help America. LaVoy was right THIS IS NOT WHAT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS INTENDED.God bless LaVoy and all others like him who SACRIFICE FOR OTHERS thank you my fellow American and God fearing “brother” ……………… RIP
Eloquently setsted, God Bless you for it
Victoria Sharp’s Account: Victoria was a passenger in the back of the second vehicle driven by LaVoy. She witnessed events from the initial stop of vehicle 1 all the way through to the shooting. She has given a lengthy interview describing events – consistently and calmly. In her report Victoria states that when LaVoy was first pulled over, he and Ryan Payne (who was the front seat passenger) repeatedly requested to talk to the county Sheriff rather than the FBI. Her report is that this angered the FBI agents. In response to FBI demands LaVoy put his hands – both hands – out the window to show he was not a threat. She also reports that from the moment they were pulled over there were approximately 20 laser spots she could see on her and the other passengers, including from pre-positioned snipers in the trees, positioned on the side of the road up in the forest. Significantly, she also reports that the first shots were fired by the FBI when Ryan Payne looked out the passenger side window and was shot at, but was not hit. She reports that no one in the vehicle ever returned fire or pulled any guns or weapons. According to Victoria, after the FBI refused LaVoy and Ryan’s request to remove the two woman from the vehicle (who had come along to sing at the anticipated meeting), LaVoy explained that he was going to drive down to talk to the Sheriff and started to drive away. At or about this point, according to her account, Ryan Payne exited the vehicle and was arrested. The two women in the back seat (Shawna Cox and Victoria) along with Ryan Bundy (also in the back seat) tried to take cover laying on the floor boards because as LaVoy drove away the FBI showered the vehicle with bullets – “at least 120.” Victoria recounts that she and Shawna were screaming and pleading that the FBI stop shooting. Victoria then explains that LaVoy drove the truck into some kind of snow embankment and it was stuck, so he got out of the truck with his hands up. She says he was “just walking with his hands in the air.” According to her account, she then personally witnessed that the FBI, and multiple shooters shot him multiple times, including after he hit the ground and that as he lay dead on the ground his hands were still up above his head. She then says, after this, the government continued to riddle the vehicle with dozens, possibly hundreds of bullets, and that the only reason the two women and Ryan Bundy survived was that the shooters had a bad angle. Ryan Bundy was hit by a bullet or shrapnel caused by this firestorm.
Thus, the most credible accounts, and the only complete first hand account, is that the government pre-planned this encounter, it was no “traffic stop” as the US Attorney is now reporting (“a traffic stop on protesters [that] turned deadly.”) It was deadly from before it started, because it was a pre-planned extraordinary show of force by the government, and shooting began without any shots being fired by LaVoy or the passengers in his vehicle. The government agents continued to fire on a fleeing vehicle despite having set up a road block and despite no threat of force by LaVoy or the passengers, and after one of the passengers exited the vehicle and was arrested. They shot LaVoy with his hands in the air, and continued to shoot him after he fell to the ground. The government then continued to fire upon the vehicle with three passengers huddling down in the back seat on the floor. This was, by all accounts, a military style ambush, and there is no indication that the government agents were in danger at any time, or that the excessive use of force was provoked or justified.
If, and I don’t doubt that what Gere says is true, when a person is shot, it is human nature to immediately place your hand over the shot wound. That is what I saw in the video.
This was pre-meditated MURDER on the part of these Jack booted rogue cops. They set up an ambush and carried out a cold blooded execution.
You have an old man struggling through the snow. You have several of obama’s thugs pointing weapons at him in front. A single thug agent runs up behind him startling him so he turns and is murdered by said agent. I don’t know about you but when I turn after being startled my instinctive reaction is to lead with my arms. He never had the chance to complete his turn before the agent opened fire. That is murder.
ROGUE COPS AND ROGUE GOVERNMENT; BOTH LITERALLY HAVE GONE WILD OVER THE YEARS, AND IN OBSERVING THE DETERIORATION OF OUR SOCIETY, OUR GOVERNMENT, AND OUR ‘COPS GONE WILD’ DOWNHILL SLIDE, I HAVE ALWAYS LOOKED WITH JAUNDICED EYE AT GOVERNMENT OFFICERS BE THEY CITY, COUNTY AND STATE BUT ESPECIALLY FEDERAL COPS; AWARE AND CONSCIOUS THAT THEY SEEM TO BE SLOWLY BUT SURELY BECOMING WILLING MEMBERS OF A POLICE STATE, MANY OF WHOM SEEM TO BELIEVE THEY, IN THEIR PERCEIVED TO BE LOFTY ABOVE-THE-LAW SUPERIORITY TO ANY AND ALL CITIZENS, FROM ALL APPEARANCES TREATING THEM AS ‘PEONS’ AND THUS HAVING THE PERFECT RIGHT TO BULLY, BRUTALIZED, CRIPPLE AND KILL; THIS AT THEIR PLEASURE; they appearing to have been bullies in childhood and who have gravitated to being ‘cops’ where they can continue to satisfying their bullying lust.
COP;S REPORTED QUOTE EPITOMIZING THEIR MINDSET: “We’re the largest street gang in the world. You mess with one, you get us all”, that stated to be one of their accurate quotes . . . .
That mindset having now apparently totally replaced the “Serve & Protect”, that, at least here in some cities in the South, appeared on the police cars; that no longer the case, however. (They and those equally evil politicians and bureaucrats that place them in power are like the termites which undermine the integrity of structures seem to continue to simply be ‘coming totally out of the closet”)
“PROTECT & SERVE”: Another instance of false ‘advertising’!!!
James Allen,
CORRECT! They have changed the “PROTECT & SERVE” to “HARASS AND INTIMIDATE”.
I now have the same respect for the authority of the law – as a dog has for a fire hydrant.
Shooting someone in the back without a visible gun,or clear threat, is clearly unjustified and in most cases constitutes murder. This officer needs to be fully investigated, and prosecuted if found guilty. Where is Obama on this one?……………crickets, the guy isn’t black..
So this guy comes around a curb and sees the road block. He runs off the road to avoid hitting the parked cars and possibly killing someone. I watched the video. I don’t know that this guy’s movements justified killing him. Sometimes people move their arms without thinking. Sometimes people move their arms if they are standing in snow and start to lose their balance.
Considering how long they let this guy lay in the snow before going near him they must have realized they killed him. As can be seen from previous posts I’m not a supporting of this bunch of renegades and their cause, but I would question whether lethal force was justified in this case. This man was surrounded. His truck was stuck in the snow and wasn’t going anywhere. The chance for anyone in that truck to escape was practically nil. If someone would have made a run for it they would have left tracks in the snow. This seems like an overreaction to an incident in which everyone could have walked away alive.
Justin — there was plenty of time to slow down and stop in front of the roadblock. If you don’t think so, watch the next car to approach the roadblock; it has no trouble stopping in plenty of time.
This clearly shows in the first stop he was threatened and then fled into the murder trap. The FBI officer in the woods was the hit man..Finicum bolted from the truck
because that what
ALL Gods creatures
do when their lives
are threatened.They
run!! With all that
firepower in front and
behind this man the
only logical thing to
do would be to wait in
truck to be
arrested..This mans
life was clearly
threated just by his actions. That murder was a warning to all from your elected officials.
I agree, the man was shot in the back, in cold blooded murder, he was no threat to the shooter, and the shooter had no way of determining whether the victim was going for a gun or not. A clear case of cold blooded murder, I’d sure like to be on that jury, but knowing our government, the case will never come up for trial. Something else, you notice that no one went to even give him first aid after the shooting? The shooter knew excactly where his bullet went, so no need for first aid. Just like a bunch of hounds going after the coon, except the hounds don’t have guns. Looks to me like all US Citizens should have guns to protect ourselves from the evil ones. Be like Switzerland, the law there is that all citizens have arms, but the thought there is different, it’s to help the government in v
Case of war.
The government is the enemy. They don’t have a problem not calling radical muslims a terrorist, but they are quick to lable true American citizens as same.
It would be better to see a zoomed in version of this video. Particularly the part where he was shot.
I don’t know why they had to have a road block. For surely the FBI knew they were headed to a meeting.
You can’t tell me that with FBI and OSP officers there than there are no other videos taken from a much closer proximity that show greater detail what exactly happened. Why are we only seeing this distant unclear viewpoint? I hope this is investigated carefully and if he was indeed reaching for his gun, then story over, but if not then we need to prosecute the agents who killed him.
Oh, and what happened to the Tazors????
Its obvious the intent was to “kill”.
Where was the Sheriff? Did he approve/sign off on this?
Why hasn’t the FBI arrested the criminal traitor in the White House?
And all complicits guility of Misprision of Treason?
A P, If that were the case, they would need to jail all the politicians. There is not ONE of them that will step up the the plate and move to impeach the vermin. Hopefully, the Donald will do something after he is elected.
Just seems so sad no one would sit
Down to negotiate with the ranchers.
And i dont mean some power hungry lawyer.
Would have gotten more attention had they
Joined the black lives matter movement.
Bet there wouldn’t be a Black Lives Matter movement if O. J. Simpson trial had not set the colored race back 150 years.
Seems what we need here is another Civil War against the cowardly politicians. What a bunch of wimps!
The police in this country have gotten more trigger happy than ever recently, just look at the news. If they give you an order, they will shoot you down in an instant if you look at them wrong. Even having a knife in your hand will get you killed. And, as you saw in South Carolina, if t hey think they can get away with it, they will try to plant something on you or near you to back their story up. Keep the cell phone videos going, folks!